TownHallMeetingLog20120701

12:59] Nebadon Izumi: seems to have settled down
12:59] dan banner: yes seems a little better now
12:59] Nebadon Izumi: CPU was high for a bit not sure what was wrong
12:59] Nebadon Izumi: all the sudden just settled down
13:00] Nebadon Izumi: bizzare
13:00] dan banner: building the fcache?
13:00] Nebadon Izumi: i dont think so
13:00] Nebadon Izumi: i deleted a few things from the freebie store
13:00] Nebadon Izumi: its possible somethign i deleted had a nasty script or something
13:00] Nebadon Izumi: i dunno
13:00] Nebadon Izumi: i didnt inspect them
13:00] Nebadon Izumi: it was just some cubes and dupes of stuff
13:00] Nebadon Izumi: i doubt it was that
13:01] Nebadon Izumi: oh well
13:01] Nebadon Izumi: see if anyone even shows up
13:01] dan banner: top scripts doesnt seem to have much detail these days
13:01] Nebadon Izumi: lol
13:02] Nebadon Izumi: it was working for me a minute ago
13:02] Nebadon Izumi: but i didnt see anything that looked particularly nasty
13:02] dan banner: merc you're a cloud
13:02] Nebadon Izumi: hello everyone
13:03] Nick Balers: Hey
13:03] Jalen Optera: hi Neb
13:03] Richardus Raymaker: hello. let me finish a ode crash mantis.
13:03] Bea Witched: hello all
13:03] Jalen Optera: hi Bea
13:03] Richardus Raymaker: still tyhe 06-30 version neb ?
13:03] Bea Witched: hi Jalen
13:03] Key Gruin: hi Stio
13:03] Nebadon Izumi: no i emergency reverted
13:04] dan banner: hey bea, nick, rich, key, stio, everyone
13:04] Nebadon Izumi: and rebooted the box
13:04] Richardus Raymaker: hi key
13:04] Nebadon Izumi: just incase
13:04] Richardus Raymaker: ok
13:04] Nebadon Izumi: all other plazas on this box are shut down too
13:04] Bea Witched: hi Key and Neb
13:04] Nebadon Izumi: so box is super fresh
13:04] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
13:04] RegionReady v2: Region Ready Processed on Lbsa Plaza @ 2012-07-01T20:02:20.2510930Z UTC
13:04] Key Gruin: hey everyone
13:04] Key Gruin: still down at the landing area
13:04] Jalen Optera: howdy key
13:04] Mercalia Beck: wright normally ok
13:04] Nebadon Izumi: hey Key
13:04] Richardus Raymaker: i just crashed my sandbox after some move and teleport.: assertion "bNormalizationResult" failed in ..\..\include\ode\odemath.h:437
13:04] Nebadon Izumi: ya i dunno what the heck went wrong earlier
13:04] Nebadon Izumi: the whole box was freaking out
13:04] Nebadon Izumi: then all the sudden it just stopped
13:04] Nebadon Izumi: very odd
13:04] Timber Wolfe: hays
13:05] Timber Wolfe: its a windoze box is why
13:05] dan banner: its Y1S
13:05] Nebadon Izumi: lol no
13:05] Nebadon Izumi: we dont run any windows servers
13:05] Timber Wolfe: hehe
13:05] Nebadon Izumi: there was no excessive bandwidth to the box or anything
13:05] Nebadon Izumi: was really odd
13:05] Nebadon Izumi: I am glad it stopped though
13:05] Nebadon Izumi: whatever was going on
13:06] Nebadon Izumi: i blame the leap second
13:06] Nebadon Izumi: lol
13:06] Richardus Raymaker: i saw weird high timeings physical and agent
13:06] Nebadon Izumi: what was odd
13:06] Nebadon Izumi: before i rebooted the box
13:06] Nebadon Izumi: all the regions were using crazy cpu
13:06] Nebadon Izumi: even the lbsa voids
13:06] Nebadon Izumi: were using 200% cpu each
13:06] Timber Wolfe: eww
13:06] Nebadon Izumi: bizzare never seen it do anything like that before
13:06] Timber Wolfe: hows that possible
13:06] Nebadon Izumi: i have no idea
13:06] Timber Wolfe: theres only 100%
13:06] Nebadon Izumi: its quad core
13:06] Jalen Optera: nice music key
13:07] Nebadon Izumi: with multiple cpus
13:07] Timber Wolfe: hmm
13:07] Key Gruin: lol is my voice on?
13:07] Nebadon Izumi: processes can consume multiple cpus
13:07] Jalen Optera: yep
13:07] Timber Wolfe: yeah but id still think 100% is 100% of all 4
13:07] Richardus Raymaker: maby the box start to get old. broken cooling ?
13:07] Nebadon Izumi: i doubt it
13:08] Nebadon Izumi: actually this machines motherboard was replaced maybe 6 months ago
13:08] Mercalia Beck: linux thinks differnt
13:08] Nebadon Izumi: its all new parts
13:08] Timber Wolfe: new doesnt always mean troublefree
13:08] Nebadon Izumi: new power supply everything
13:08] Timber Wolfe: theres defective stuff from the factory
13:08] Nebadon Izumi: honestly I think it may have been the leapsecond
13:08] Nebadon Izumi: i was reading that lots of computers freaked out
13:08] Nebadon Izumi: because of it
13:08] stiofain nbmcmedia: hi folks
13:08] Mercalia Beck: oh
13:08] Timber Wolfe: woudl be amazign coincidence
13:08] Mercalia Beck: hi stio
13:09] Timber Wolfe: the failure happened right then otherwise
13:09] Nebadon Izumi: last night at midnight a leap second was added to all atomic clocks
13:09] Key Gruin: I want a leap hour so we don't have to set the time ahead in the spring
13:09] Nebadon Izumi: and like 1/2 the internet crashed
13:09] Nebadon Izumi: not even kidding
13:09] Timber Wolfe: wow
13:09] hippie balbozar: things tike busses with btoken seats
13:09] Nebadon Izumi: ya it was bad
13:09] Timber Wolfe: yeah my internet went down
13:09] Nebadon Izumi: most websites recovered fast
13:09] hippie balbozar: cant carry as much
13:09] Nebadon Izumi: but a lot of sites went down
13:09] Key Gruin: hmm yeah I lost my connection
13:10] Key Gruin: thought it was just me
13:10] hippie balbozar: me
13:10] dan banner: i slept an extra second
13:10] Nebadon Izumi: Google supposedly was the only company who was prepared
13:10] stiofain nbmcmedia: inworldz went down
13:10] Key Gruin: lol
13:10] Nebadon Izumi: but like Mozilla website and a bunch of sites were down
13:10] dan banner: worse than y2k
13:10] Nebadon Izumi: bad week for the internet
13:10] Timber Wolfe: iw sux anyway ;)
13:10] Nebadon Izumi: they were calling it y2k 2.0
13:10] Nebadon Izumi: lol
13:10] Bea WitchedBea Witched mumbles the end is near
13:10] hippie balbozar: :)
13:11] Timber Wolfe: we already passed the end
13:11] Bea Witched: =)
13:11] Nebadon Izumi: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57464559-93/leap-second-bug-causes-site-software-crashes/
13:11] Key Gruin: there's always the end of something coming up
13:11] Richardus Raymaker: ODE is very picky on 64bit windows :O
13:11] Nebadon Izumi: apparantly Java apps got hit the worst
13:11] Nebadon Izumi: but also a lot of linux systems crashed
13:12] Nebadon Izumi: so how is everyone doing
13:12] Key Gruin: hot
13:12] Bea Witched: dealing with golf ball sized hail
13:12] Nebadon Izumi: I dont really have anything particular to say this month
13:12] Richardus Raymaker: aha, i know linux dont like messing with the clock
13:12] Key Gruin: ouch Bea
13:12] Nebadon Izumi: we have OSG5B coming up soon
13:12] Nebadon Izumi: I think we have a few parcels open still
13:12] Nebadon Izumi: especailly on the Mesh exhibit sim
13:12] Key Gruin: one mesh parcel left
13:12] dan banner: WE NEED TO ADD A FEW PARCELS
13:12] Nebadon Izumi: so if anyone is interested please hunt down and harras Eryn Galen
13:12] dan banner: oosp
13:12] Timber Wolfe: apparantly clicking the url crashes the viewer too
13:13] Nebadon Izumi: ok
13:13] dan banner: eryn said we ran out of room
13:13] Nick Balers: what is OSG5B?
13:13] Nebadon Izumi: ah Timber Wolfe you probably need to make sure it launches externally
13:13] Nebadon Izumi: even at the Mesh sim Dan?
13:13] Timber Wolfe: yeah id better
13:13] Nebadon Izumi: i honestly have not looked
13:13] Nebadon Izumi: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57464559-93/leap-second-bug-causes-site-software-crashes/
13:13] Nebadon Izumi: here is the URL incase you need it again
13:13] Richardus Raymaker: oh one note the time on wiki seems wrong. it did say 2pm. but inworld i got told by notice its 1pm
13:13] Nebadon Izumi: maybe copy paste it
13:13] Key Gruin: yes Neb only one left
13:13] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
13:13] Nebadon Izumi: oh wow ok
13:13] dan banner: ya lani finally looked and said there was no room left
13:13] Nebadon Izumi: well maybe we can squeeze a few more in
13:13] Nebadon Izumi: if anyone is really interested
13:14] hippie balbozar: worked for me?
13:14] dan banner: i think lani wants one
13:14] Nebadon Izumi: every viewer has its quirks
13:14] Timber Wolfe: ty
13:14] Key Gruin: Animah might want one but she needs to think about it
13:14] Nebadon Izumi: ive had a few crash on me too when clicking links
13:14] hippie balbozar: kk
13:14] Mercalia Beck: I would like maybe a very small space for travel centre sign
13:14] Mercalia Beck: and info
13:14] Nebadon Izumi: ok mercalia, give Eryn a ping
13:14] Nebadon Izumi: I am sure we can work that in
13:14] Mercalia Beck: ok
13:14] Bea Witched: hello Frank
13:15] dan banner: give me your sign merc i'll put it in central
13:15] Richardus Raymaker: 16sqm mercelia ? :)
13:15] Frank Northmead: hello ?
13:15] Nebadon Izumi: there is probably some room at the central region too maybe
13:15] Mercalia Beck: dont know what that looks like
13:15] Nebadon Izumi: for displays
13:15] Nebadon Izumi: like not whole exhibits but some small displays
13:15] Key Gruin: yeah I think so
13:15] Nebadon Izumi: well take a visit over to OSG5B regions
13:15] Nebadon Izumi: you can search OSG5B on the map
13:15] Nebadon Izumi: there are 5 regions this year
13:16] Nebadon Izumi: we spread em out so we can get better performance
13:16] Key Gruin: I like the way it's layed out
13:16] Timber Wolfe: i think they layout is awesome
13:16] Timber Wolfe: some much better than the mega regions last year
13:16] Richardus Raymaker: its good
13:16] Nebadon Izumi: ya me too
13:16] Nebadon Izumi: gives people a chance to explore a little more
13:16] Timber Wolfe: *so much
13:16] Nebadon Izumi: without jamming up to much
13:16] hippie balbozar: lots of space at central
13:16] Key Gruin: the teleporter boulders are excellent
13:16] Timber Wolfe: its all awesome :)
13:17] Nebadon Izumi: i need to get on the ball and finish up my mesh display
13:17] Nebadon Izumi: kind of a mess at the moment
13:17] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
13:17] dan banner: its a mesh
13:17] Nebadon Izumi: speaking of Mesh anyone who has not seen the snappy tree's
13:17] Key Gruin: Neb is it possible to add more spots if needed?
13:17] Nebadon Izumi: they are behind me
13:17] Nebadon Izumi: ya maybe Key
13:17] Nebadon Izumi: if we get some more interest
13:17] Nebadon Izumi: best to really check with Eryn
13:17] Richardus Raymaker: i looked at yours better neb. bigger size. in love with it
13:17] Key Gruin: yeah
13:18] Nebadon Izumi: since she is the grounds keeper this year
13:18] Frank Northmead: I have 4 b oard games ready I could put out somewhere if you want them, Key has requested BackGammon and I will try to have it ready also - not promising that.
13:18] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
13:18] Richardus Raymaker: still need to test the software local
13:18] Nebadon Izumi: sure If you guys want to lay out some more sims for people
13:18] Nebadon Izumi: that would be great
13:18] Key Gruin: yeah that's cool Frank
13:18] Snakedance Moonwing: odd i should have poofed into lbsa not here :}
13:18] Nebadon Izumi: just dont put them right up against any of the existing sims
13:18] Timber Wolfe: should get that monopoly game working with scripts!
13:18] Nebadon Izumi: please put atleast 1 space
13:18] Richardus Raymaker: im suprissed where out of sims, good sign
13:18] Nebadon Izumi: but feel free to part some regions in the general vacinity
13:19] Nebadon Izumi: part=put
13:19] xris oik: hello, there :)
13:19] Nebadon Izumi: hello xris
13:19] Timber Wolfe: why not add another region?
13:19] Frank Northmead whispers: Hello xris?
13:19] Key Gruin: ok we might need 2 more regions, on mesh and one normal
13:19] Nebadon Izumi: hrmm ok well we really dont have any more room on our servers for that
13:19] Timber Wolfe: oic
13:19] Richardus Raymaker: 2 more mesh ? wow
13:19] Nebadon Izumi: but if someone wants to donate sim space on a good server
13:19] Nebadon Izumi: that would be great
13:20] Nebadon Izumi: I am sort of out of resources myself
13:20] Frank Northmead: the keypoint is a "good" server, n ot point advertising lag.
13:20] Nebadon Izumi: though maybe we could squeeze some on to plaza07?
13:20] Timber Wolfe: hmm
13:20] Timber Wolfe: i could do that maybe
13:20] Nebadon Izumi: are you guys using plaza07 for much?
13:20] Timber Wolfe: rent one region from snoopy?
13:20] Nebadon Izumi: i havent even logged into that server in a while
13:20] dan banner: neb we have some room if we lose osg4b and bade
13:20] Nebadon Izumi: hrmm
13:20] Key Gruin: I can set one of my spces be used
13:20] Nebadon Izumi: thats true
13:20] Nebadon Izumi: we could do that
13:21] Nebadon Izumi: 1 sec phone
13:21] Bea WitchedBea Witched hangs up quick
13:21] Timber Wolfe: lol
13:21] Key Gruin: yeah dan good thougth
13:21] dan banner: i can add a region from plaza07
13:21] Frank Northmead: I got here late, who do we contact to arrange a parcel to put things in?
13:21] Nebadon Izumi: ok whatever you guys think is best
13:21] Nebadon Izumi: plaza06 has much better net speed
13:21] Timber Wolfe: eryn
13:21] Nebadon Izumi: my home nets been a bit flakey lately
13:21] dan banner: ya prob best to make room on 06
13:21] dan banner: performance wise
13:21] Key Gruin: should probably use 06
13:22] Timber Wolfe: or...
13:22] Key Gruin: take down Bade
13:22] Timber Wolfe: i could rent a region from snoopy for the event to use if that helps
13:22] Timber Wolfe: would be a GOOD server
13:22] Timber Wolfe: far as i know
13:23] Key Gruin: yeah that might be good, something to consider, thanks for the offer Timber
13:23] Timber Wolfe: yw let me know
13:24] Key Gruin: lag?
13:25] Timber Wolfe: or shock lol
13:25] Key Gruin: oh just a lull
13:25] Nebadon Izumi: heh seems ok here
13:25] Nebadon Izumi: sorry on phone at moment
13:25] Nebadon Izumi: keep talking :D
13:25] Key Gruin: ahh ok
13:25] Nebadon Izumi: if anyone had anything they want to talk about please have at it
13:25] Key Gruin: blah blahhh bhah :)
13:25] Nebadon Izumi: :D
13:25] dan banner: so does anyone have anything they would like to bring up?
13:25] Timber Wolfe: looking up prices on dreamland
13:25] Timber Wolfe: yes;
13:25] Mercalia Beck: vomit?
13:25] Timber Wolfe: has teleport been acting up lately?
13:25] dan banner: not for me timber
13:25] hippie balbozar: not really
13:26] Key Gruin: gee Merc you should go outside for that
13:26] Timber Wolfe: seems recently a lot of times i TP, land and the viewer crashes
13:26] Nebadon Izumi: teleport is not perfect
13:26] dan banner: only when a region is missing or needs a restart
13:26] Richardus Raymaker: for me it seems fine. others seems to have problems. so sound slike normal
13:26] hippie balbozar: zen has
13:26] Nebadon Izumi: but i would not say ive seen increased failures lately
13:26] Timber Wolfe: normally that never happens
13:26] hippie balbozar: no sound ya
13:26] Timber Wolfe: but it seems like lately in the last say 2 weeks or so
13:26] dan banner: i have random crashes with phoenix when i tp
13:26] Timber Wolfe: it seems to happen a lot
13:26] Bea Witched: has the asset server been acting up lately with slow response times or is it just me?
13:26] Nick Balers: never had an issue with TP
13:26] Richardus Raymaker: dont forget, its summer (vacation) so then thinks alwasy geta bit more wonky
13:27] Timber Wolfe: servers dont take vacations tho rich :)
13:27] Richardus Raymaker: stupid keyboard
13:27] Thirza Ember: hi all
13:27] dan banner: hello
13:27] Richardus Raymaker: i know timber. but others do. and fill the net with useless traffic :O
13:27] Jalen Optera: hi Thirza
13:27] Frank Northmead: Hello Thirza
13:27] xris oik: hi
13:27] Nebadon Izumi: I think its safe to say that Wright Plaza is holding up a bit better than Bade did for these meetings
13:28] hippie balbozar: if i log in to any on my regions server goes nuts
13:28] Richardus Raymaker: hi thir
13:28] Timber Wolfe: heh
13:28] Thirza Ember: Hi all
13:28] Timber Wolfe: yeah its actually not bad
13:28] Timber Wolfe: hi one
13:28] dan banner: hippie some v3 viewers can cause spam
13:28] Nebadon Izumi: ya I think bade plaza will just get shut down something new built there
13:28] Nebadon Izumi: something odd about that sim
13:28] Richardus Raymaker: well since the 06-30 version things look much better. memory seems more stable. but i compiled this one self on windows
13:28] Nebadon Izumi: its cursed or something
13:28] Timber Wolfe: poor bade plaza :)
13:29] Timber Wolfe: its been like a fixture, an old friend :(
13:29] Richardus Raymaker: well, timber. if the make oar its never lost
13:29] Richardus Raymaker: its not sl
13:29] Nebadon Izumi: ya i have spent hours there trying to figure out why it fails
13:29] Nebadon Izumi: just no luck
13:29] Timber Wolfe: yep
13:29] Timber Wolfe: real odd
13:29] Richardus Raymaker: blame fedore neb
13:29] Mercalia Beck: maybe try relocate
13:29] Mercalia Beck: another xmy
13:29] Nebadon Izumi: lbsa plaza is on same box though Richardus
13:29] Mercalia Beck: x,y
13:29] Timber Wolfe: relocate reload the oar
13:29] Nebadon Izumi: so explain that
13:29] Nebadon Izumi: lol
13:29] dan banner: maybe has to do with X number of avatars above a certain height?
13:30] Richardus Raymaker: hmm.. thats weird. maby there;s some secret prim. :O
13:30] Nebadon Izumi: hrmm
13:30] Mercalia Beck: foxxe bode did that to solve similar problem
13:30] Nebadon Izumi: that may very well be Dan
13:30] Nebadon Izumi: hrmm
13:30] Timber Wolfe: yeah we were up around like the 9th floor
13:30] Nebadon Izumi: that would be interesting if it was
13:30] Nebadon Izumi: hrmm
13:30] dan banner: ya actually i wouldnt be that suprised
13:30] Richardus Raymaker: so next meeting on the ground ?
13:30] hippie balbozar: shorten everybody
13:31] Nebadon Izumi: Thirza has something she wants to talk about
13:31] Timber Wolfe: dan may have point, it might take more resources to have avs up at a height than the ground
13:31] Nebadon Izumi: so please Thirza whenever your ready
13:31] Jalen Optera: height off the ground hippie :)
13:31] Nebadon Izumi: just hop in :)
13:31] hippie balbozar: ya
13:31] Nebadon Izumi: i am still on phone btw couple more minutes im off
13:31] Timber Wolfe: can test that theory
13:31] Thirza Ember: Hi all - may I just take a moment of your time to tell you about an art / performance / music initiative? It's called IMAB, ithe idea is to involve people from every grid - as many as possible.
13:32] Timber Wolfe: make a floor and send it to 900m
13:32] Timber Wolfe: see what this region is using
13:32] Timber Wolfe: and we'll all go up on it and see what the resoruces use is then
13:32] hippie balbozar: some are 19+ cm off ground
13:32] hippie balbozar: 10+*
13:32] Thirza Ember: it's beginning in SL - but moving out to as many different grids as we can involve. artists and musicians will get the chance to be in a web based directory, and have a page on the website to show off their work
13:32] Nebadon Izumi: ok off phone sounds Interesting Thirza
13:32] Thirza Ember: anyone who read this and is interested, please friend me
13:33] Thirza Ember: I'll get back with more details in the week
13:33] Nebadon Izumi: Thirza i suggest you write up a little posting at forums.osgrid.org also
13:33] Timber Wolfe whispers: hmm, sounds good!
13:33] Thirza Ember: and congratulations to osgrid 5 years old hehehe
13:33] Nebadon Izumi: when your ready
13:33] Mercalia Beck: mabe info on lbsa plaza?
13:33] Nebadon Izumi: :D
13:33] Thirza Ember: yes, can do that also
13:33] Timber Wolfe: but my art doesnt go in virtual worlds well at all
13:33] Nebadon Izumi: ya maybe we can do something like that
13:33] stiofain nbmcmedia: hey bob
13:33] Boba Solo: hello
13:33] Key Gruin: what does IMAB stand for, Thirza?
13:34] hippie balbozar: hi bob
13:34] Thirza Ember: it's the metaverse art biennial
13:34] Thirza Ember: they plan to run a 6 month long festival,
13:34] Nebadon Izumi: nice
13:35] Thirza Ember: once every 2 years - givingart of EVERY kind a place to connect
13:35] Frank Northmead: that is going to hit right when HG 2.0 arrives? Not good timing :(
13:35] Thirza Ember: so i know you're talking about more important things, but pls friend me - if you don't do art yourself, maybe you know someone who does?
13:35] Key Gruin: ok we can put a poster up at LBSA if you have a texture image for it
13:35] Thirza Ember: the festival won't start till september
13:36] Key Gruin: ok
13:36] Thirza Ember: and will continue well into 2013, with people signing up to do events whenever they are ready
13:36] Nebadon Izumi: gawd 2013 freaking time is flying
13:36] Key Gruin: hehe
13:36] Frank Northmead: Does anyone know when Diva plans to release HG 2.0 now?
13:36] dan banner: pretty soon it will be 2020
13:36] Nebadon Izumi: lol dan
13:36] Thirza Ember: if you have a music venue, or art, or even want to do a performance or an anstallation, or a literary exhibit or event - all this
13:37] Frank Northmead: In the year 2525.
13:37] Thirza Ember: they want to include it all
13:37] Nebadon Izumi: not sure about HG 2.0
13:37] Nebadon Izumi: you would need to ask Diva, shes been pretty busy lately
13:37] Frank Northmead: I heard late this summer?
13:37] Nebadon Izumi: its possible
13:37] Richardus Raymaker: suprissed nobody say "when its done"
13:37] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
13:38] dan banner: that wouldnt be true rich
13:38] dan banner: im sure it will be implemented in some fashion before its finished
13:38] Richardus Raymaker: hi kharmen
13:39] Richardus Raymaker: "finished" what ever that word menas in opensim. or virtual worlds
13:39] Kharmen Spad: hi Rich :-)
13:39] Boba Solo: http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2012/06/hypergrid-travels-to-get-safer/
13:40] Timber Wolfe: even leaping into a forest fire youc ant get burned
13:40] Nebadon Izumi: oh yea earlier i didnt finish about teh snappy trees
13:40] Timber Wolfe: heh "safer" as if anything in virtual is UN safe ;)
13:40] Nebadon Izumi: but if anyone is interested in mesh trees
13:40] hippie balbozar: i fing HG works better that inworld tp's
13:40] Richardus Raymaker: No... but sure that will happen some virtual day
13:40] Nebadon Izumi: you can see the SnappyTree display behind me
13:40] Nebadon Izumi: you can make mesh trees relateively easy
13:41] Richardus Raymaker: as soon i can connect to my test webserver i go try it local
13:41] Jalen Optera: I made a dozen trees in about 3 minutes, I had to stop myself
13:41] Nebadon Izumi: https://github.com/supereggbert/SnappyTree
13:41] Nebadon Izumi: http://arnaud.ile.nc/cantree/
13:41] Nebadon Izumi: lol Jalen ya its so easy
13:41] Nebadon Izumi: and you can make tons of random tree shapes
13:41] Nebadon Izumi: so much nicer than the same tree 5000 times
13:41] stiofain nbmcmedia: i need to go folks we have a live show in belfast with truelie ellen in 20 mins and need prepare all welcome BelfastIreland3 (16,105,33)
13:42] stiofain nbmcmedia: byeee
13:42] Nebadon Izumi: see ya
13:42] Boba Solo: ttyl
13:42] Frank Northmead: have fun stiofain ?
13:42] xris oik: bb
13:42] Nebadon Izumi: feel free to take copies of the sample tree's behind me
13:42] Nebadon Izumi: if you can not see the trees its because your not using a mesh viewer
13:42] Richardus Raymaker: lol jalen..
13:42] Key Gruin: I need to figure out how to textyure the leaves
13:42] Timber Wolfe: i dont see em
13:42] Timber Wolfe: im using a non mesh viewer
13:42] xris oik: good job, ty
13:42] Jalen Optera: they are mesh
13:42] Nebadon Izumi: you just need to upload a leaf texture Key Gruin
13:43] Nebadon Izumi: which you generate here
13:43] Nebadon Izumi: http://arnaud.ile.nc/cantree/
13:43] Richardus Raymaker: its simple key, seletc the prim and add the leaf or bark
13:43] Nebadon Izumi: just select the leave prim and apply the texture
13:43] Nebadon Izumi: its super easy
13:43] Key Gruin: ok
13:43] Nebadon Izumi: if anyone has questions just let me know, or maybe Jalen can help you too
13:43] Timber Wolfe: free on line tree generator
13:43] Nebadon Izumi whispers: since she has it mastered now too :D
13:43] Jalen Optera: :)
13:43] Timber Wolfe: what will they think of next!
13:43] Bea Witched: i will try it
13:44] Boba Solo: wonderful
13:44] Key Gruin: yeah I've been planting dead trees all over the place lol
13:44] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
13:44] Bea Witched: sounds romantic
13:44] Timber Wolfe: version 1.0 - 51,589 visits 163,895 trees created since 13/12/2010
13:44] dan banner: Firefox can't find the server at arnaud.ile.nc.
13:44] Timber Wolfe: im lookign it at
13:44] Jalen Optera: it took me a few tries on chrome
13:44] Richardus Raymaker: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/demosdetail/snappytree
13:45] Nebadon Izumi: ya you can download the zip there
13:45] Nebadon Izumi: and run it locally
13:45] Richardus Raymaker: https://github.com/supereggbert/SnappyTree/tree/8b14b47cc9d4321a1cc0cb5f44fd8a24b977a497/images/branches
13:45] Nebadon Izumi: its just some html and javascript
13:45] Nebadon Izumi: its pretty cool
13:45] Richardus Raymaker: nebadon do you need a webserver to run it ?
13:45] Nebadon Izumi: nope
13:45] Nebadon Izumi: just double click the .html file
13:45] Richardus Raymaker: ohh. that make things more easy. cool
13:45] dan banner: nice
13:46] Bea Witched: makes nice hair textures :)
13:46] Frank Northmead: ?
13:47] Frank Northmead: I assume you bring the trees in as collada?
13:47] Nebadon Izumi: yes
13:47] Nebadon Izumi: when you go to expore the tree from the web app
13:47] Timber Wolfe: pina colada
13:47] Nebadon Izumi: it will want to save it as .xml
13:47] Nebadon Izumi: just rename that to .dae
13:47] Nebadon Izumi: and upload it
13:47] Nebadon Izumi: you dont have to even modify it
13:47] Frank Northmead: cool
13:47] Bea Witched: omg that's easy
13:47] Nebadon Izumi: ya
13:47] Jalen Optera: yeah, no blender exports
13:47] Richardus Raymaker: what where the webpage with the textures ? i cant fiond it back. bookmarks..
13:48] Nebadon Izumi: http://arnaud.ile.nc/cantree/
13:48] Nebadon Izumi: this one?
13:48] Bea Witched: and only 2 prims, nice
13:48] Nebadon Izumi: this website lets you generate leaf textures
13:48] Nebadon Izumi: so not only can you randomly make 100's of trees
13:48] Nebadon Izumi: everyone can have different textures too
13:48] Nebadon Izumi: the bark is just a simple bark repeating tile
13:48] Nebadon Izumi: so nothing to fancy there
13:49] Nebadon Izumi: you can find a bunch of those out on the web too
13:49] Key Gruin: so you get the trunk from the snappytree site, and the textures from the cantree site?
13:49] Key Gruin: trunk and foliage
13:49] Nebadon Izumi: ya there are a couple of sample barks on the snappy tree site
13:49] Boba Solo: wonder comparing it to prim or sculpty how many more trees per meter we can use before failure
13:49] Nebadon Izumi: and also some sample leaves there too
13:50] Boba Solo: would be great to populate an entire 20 region to a forest
13:50] Nebadon Izumi: ive not done any extensive testing
13:50] Boba Solo: with no lagg
13:50] Nebadon Izumi: my guess is you can do a lot more mesh trees
13:50] Nebadon Izumi: than sculpty
13:50] Nebadon Izumi: sculpty is horribly inefficient
13:50] Boba Solo: nice
13:50] Boba Solo: yes
13:50] Nebadon Izumi: its ok for certain things
13:50] Nebadon Izumi: but forests of trees
13:50] Nebadon Izumi: not really
13:50] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
13:51] Richardus Raymaker: and still have the idea mesh give more weird lag. but ok my screen is not 100% to :O
13:51] Key Gruin: you can make a nice mesh tree with the equivalent of just one prim which is hard to do with sculpty
13:51] Nebadon Izumi: all the snappy trees are 2 prims
13:51] Nebadon Izumi: however
13:51] Nebadon Izumi: you could bring them into blender and join them
13:51] Key Gruin: well the trunk, and the foliage
13:51] Nebadon Izumi: but then you would have to redo the texture maps
13:51] Nebadon Izumi: its a lot easier to just go with 2 prims per tree
13:52] Key Gruin: yeah
13:52] dan banner: should work in cloudparty too
13:52] Nebadon Izumi: ya
13:52] Richardus Raymaker: join them, and then get texture headace
13:52] Key Gruin: it does
13:53] Nebadon Izumi: did you see they are selling land there now
13:53] Oddball Otoole: Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! :D :p :D :p :D
13:53] Nebadon Izumi: its kind of expensive
13:53] Nebadon Izumi: not as expensive as SL
13:53] Nebadon Izumi: but it aint cheap either
13:53] Key Gruin: yeah $15 a month for a small island
13:53] Nebadon Izumi: 500$ for 6 months
13:53] Richardus Raymaker: whats small ?
13:53] Nebadon Izumi: or 99$ a month
13:53] Boba Solo: tree client comming in
13:53] Bea Witched: omg
13:53] Nebadon Izumi: for a 512x512
13:53] Key Gruin: yup
13:53] Boba Solo: welcome Chill
13:53] Richardus Raymaker: OMG and i say SL is expensive.. well nooo
13:53] Nebadon Izumi: 1200 objects
13:53] Boba Solo: your dream has come true
13:53] Chill Naxos: hiya Bob
13:53] Key Gruin: you need to generate some income with that
13:53] xris oik: hi
13:53] Boba Solo: tree generator
13:54] Key Gruin: or have money to burn
13:54] Nebadon Izumi: ya i'll stick with my freebie land
13:54] Boba Solo: easy as pie
13:54] Nebadon Izumi: lol
13:54] Chill Naxos: hi all
13:54] Bea Witched: well if they pay for seeding crops they will pay for that too
13:54] Richardus Raymaker: oh wait 512x512 sqm ? or meters because opensim is 256x256
13:54] Boba Solo: Chill just imed me where to find good trees
13:54] Nebadon Izumi: its 512x512x512 meters
13:54] Richardus Raymaker: more intressting on prim count then
13:54] Nebadon Izumi: the 99$ a month land
13:54] Richardus Raymaker: ok. prims ?
13:54] Nebadon Izumi: 1200 objects
13:54] Nebadon Izumi: or 1,000,000 triangles
13:55] Richardus Raymaker: hmm, think its pretty expensive
13:55] Nebadon Izumi: whatever you hit 1st
13:55] Bea Witched: rent a server for that price
13:55] Nebadon Izumi: ya it seemed pricy to me too
13:55] Richardus Raymaker: yup.
13:55] Nebadon Izumi: expecially considering its beta
13:55] Nebadon Izumi: i honestly didnt expect them to be selling land for a while
13:55] Nebadon Izumi: we'll see though, still interesting place to tinker around
13:56] Nebadon Izumi: but i cant see myself spending a lot of time there
13:56] Richardus Raymaker: i think the small $$$, and we know what most time happens
13:56] Bea Witched: until someone buys the company
13:56] Boba Solo: yupp
13:56] Nebadon Izumi: they will probably do alright
13:57] Nebadon Izumi: i dont think its ever going to really be SL competition
13:57] Nebadon Izumi: but i think it will probably find its niche
13:57] Chill Naxos: oh just read back, am doing an island, that Bob set up for me
13:57] Nebadon Izumi: they have a lot of room to improve
13:57] Nebadon Izumi: and they seem to be doing some cool things
13:57] Jalen Optera: usage wise it seems more like imvu to me with some inworld building.
13:57] Nebadon Izumi: ya
13:57] Jalen Optera: more social
13:57] Nebadon Izumi: its a lot different than SL
13:57] Chill Naxos: Mediterrean stlye, and wondering where can find some olive trees
13:57] Simulator Version v0.5 shouts: OpenSim 0.7.4 Dev 1f34c82: 2012-06-13 04:05:02 +0100 (Unix/Mono)
13:58] Nebadon Izumi: it will require much more advanced builders
13:58] Nebadon Izumi: its not as easy to build as SL
13:58] Nebadon Izumi: thats for sure
13:58] dan banner: i could upload my mesh avatar there but making it wearable causes an error
13:58] Nebadon Izumi: ya it needs to be rigged a certain way
13:58] Nebadon Izumi: rigging is pain in the ass
13:58] dan banner: ya sl style rigging doesnt work
13:58] Nebadon Izumi: there are some tutorials on their forums
13:58] Nebadon Izumi: no its different than SL
13:58] Nebadon Izumi: SL is sort of unique only to SL
13:59] Nebadon Izumi: there are sample rigs
13:59] Nebadon Izumi: i have link
13:59] Nebadon Izumi: 1 sec
13:59] dan banner: k
13:59] Nebadon Izumi: http://cloudparty.blogspot.ca/2012/06/using-blender-to-create-avatar-hat-for.html
13:59] Nebadon Izumi: here is a tutorial to make a hat
13:59] Nebadon Izumi: with links to blender rigs
13:59] Richardus Raymaker: i still hear and see, people dont like mesh. so things above that dont make it betetr
14:00] Key Gruin: http://i.imgur.com/b27R1.png
14:00] Key Gruin: hat I made
14:00] Bea Witched: nice job Key
14:00] Key Gruin: ty :)
14:00] Jalen Optera: I tried uploading a tree there and got some ugly errors
14:00] Nebadon Izumi: oh cool
14:00] Nebadon Izumi: did you follow that tutorial?
14:01] Boba Solo: key how did it get to look like you there too
14:01] Bea Witched: hello Vivian
14:01] Boba Solo: spitting immage
14:01] Key Gruin: I followed a tutorial on the fourm
14:01] Vivian Klees: hi Bea
14:01] Boba Solo: Hello Vivian
14:01] Bea Witched: this is good, gives me a little insight into mesh
14:01] Vivian Klees: hi Bob
14:01] Key Gruin: Hi Vivian
14:01] Richardus Raymaker: made today a quick bench.
14:01] Vivian Klees: Hi Key
14:01] Richardus Raymaker: garden seat
14:02] hippie balbozar: hi vivian
14:02] Jalen Optera: I was able to upload a mantee there, you never know when you will need one
14:02] Jalen Optera: no sits there though
14:02] Vivian Klees: Hello Hoippie
14:02] Nebadon Izumi: Bea if you want a good site for Blender tutorials
14:02] xris oik: hi
14:02] Nebadon Izumi: check out http://blendercookie.com
14:02] Key Gruin: oh yeah t was the one by Alexus
14:02] Bea Witched: ty Neb will bm it
14:02] Nebadon Izumi: some nice tutorials for making mesh, not all applies to SL
14:02] Nebadon Izumi: but you can really learn blender good
14:02] Bea Witched: nice ty
14:02] Nebadon Izumi: start here
14:02] Nebadon Izumi: http://cgcookie.com/blender/get-started-with-blender/
14:02] Richardus Raymaker: well, someone need to make good UV-map textureing anuals.
14:02] Richardus Raymaker: manuals.
14:03] Richardus Raymaker: and google need to wipe the blender 2.4 stuff down
14:03] Nebadon Izumi: ya that would be nice for sure
14:03] Nebadon Izumi: thats one thing i still am not great at
14:03] Nebadon Izumi: im getting better
14:03] Key Gruin: agreed Rich
14:03] Bea Witched: ty
14:03] Nebadon Izumi: but not at the point i should be teaching anyone
14:03] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
14:03] Boba Solo: me yoo
14:03] Key Gruin: get rid of the old blender stuff
14:03] Boba Solo: 2
14:03] Richardus Raymaker: well. i can color. but thats all what worked
14:03] Richardus Raymaker: after that not done much mesh. but still not forget much
14:04] Nebadon Izumi: ya i am pretty good at doing procedural texturing
14:04] Nebadon Izumi: and baking
14:04] Nebadon Izumi: but i still suck at like taking a texture from externally and applying it in
14:04] Nebadon Izumi: i need to get better at that
14:04] dan banner: http://i.imgur.com/K92Y8.png
14:04] Oddball Otoole: some good blender tutorials here: http://blog.machinimatrix.org/
14:04] Nebadon Izumi: that looks nasty dan
14:05] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
14:05] Nebadon Izumi: no idea what that means
14:05] dan banner: tree upload
14:05] Nebadon Izumi: oh
14:05] Nebadon Izumi: try exporting to obj
14:05] dan banner: CPT didnt like it
14:05] Nebadon Izumi: collada uploads there are not as good
14:05] Nebadon Izumi: obj might work better
14:05] dan banner: oh okay
14:05] Nebadon Izumi: ive had much better luck with obj myself
14:05] Key Gruin: yeah gaia clary's tutorials are good
14:05] Bea Witched: nice
14:06] dan banner: i didnt have any issue with .dae before
14:06] dan banner: but lets try obj
14:06] Key Gruin: maybe just a bad tree dan
14:06] Key Gruin: I had a couple that didn't work
14:06] Key Gruin: some did, some didn't
14:06] dan banner: oh ok
14:08] Richardus Raymaker: dan, did you saved it as SL compatible ?
14:08] Key Gruin: don't need to do that
14:08] Key Gruin: what you should do
14:08] Key Gruin: is select just the object
14:08] Richardus Raymaker: well i do it, its 1 checkbox..
14:08] Key Gruin: in object mode in Blender
14:09] Nebadon Izumi: the SL compatability check box in blender
14:09] Nebadon Izumi: is only for Rigging
14:09] Richardus Raymaker: aha
14:09] Nebadon Izumi: if your mesh has no rigging checking that box does nothing
14:09] Richardus Raymaker: well, not bad to make a normal way to check it
14:09] Nebadon Izumi: next version of blender should have some nice changes for collada support for SL/OpenSim
14:10] Nebadon Izumi: they are constantly working to make it better
14:10] Richardus Raymaker: 2.64 ?
14:10] Nebadon Izumi: ya
14:10] Nebadon Izumi: apparantly the PrimStar2 people
14:10] Nebadon Izumi: are doing a lot of work to make blender better for SL
14:10] Richardus Raymaker: well, its the only tool that many can use to make mesh
14:12] Oddball Otoole: I heared (a couple of months ago) that the blender devs, stopped developing *.dae support??
14:12] Key Gruin: no it's being worked on now
14:13] Key Gruin: probably after heareing a bunch of complaints
14:13] Oddball Otoole: ah, ok. no need for me to beat up people then:)
14:13] Nebadon Izumi: ya it appeas enough people complained
14:14] Nebadon Izumi: and then the primstar 2 team took over maintaining collada support in Blender
14:14] Nebadon Izumi: and not only that they are focusing on SL compatibility mostly
14:14] Nebadon Izumi: which is nice
14:14] Chill Naxos: back to bull dozing, later all
14:14] Nebadon Izumi: heh i actually wrote a unhappy email to the head Blender dude
14:14] Richardus Raymaker: bye chill
14:14] Nebadon Izumi: when they said they were stopping support
14:14] Boba Solo: ttyl
14:14] Chill Naxos: bye now
14:14] Nebadon Izumi: see ya
14:15] Timber Wolfe: but blender is FREE, no?
14:15] Richardus Raymaker: hehe
14:15] Richardus Raymaker: neb.. :)
14:15] Nebadon Izumi: yep it is
14:15] Timber Wolfe: cant expect much support for a free product
14:15] Timber Wolfe: unlike photoshop
14:15] Nebadon Izumi: thats not really true
14:15] Key Gruin: although Primstar cost's a bit
14:15] Nebadon Izumi: Blender is used by a lot of big companies and its a foundation
14:15] Richardus Raymaker: well, its not smart move to drop some support for soemthing that make blender use bigger the time that comes
14:16] Nebadon Izumi: its not like they arent making money
14:16] Nebadon Izumi: its in their best interest to have the highest level of support
14:16] Nebadon Izumi: but the problem wasnt on the blender end
14:16] Timber Wolfe: well then its a "come-on" to sell other products and services by offerign the one free
14:16] Nebadon Izumi: it was the collada people
14:16] Timber Wolfe: but most all free software is use at your own risk, no support expected
14:16] Nebadon Izumi: collada support in general sucks in most apps
14:16] Nebadon Izumi: its not really limited to Blender
14:17] Richardus Raymaker: hello visinda
14:17] Key Gruin: Blender has a big userbase that offers excellent support
14:17] Boba Solo: hello Visinda
14:17] Nebadon Izumi: perhaps, but i dont think blender really fits into that category
14:17] Visinda Rille: Hi
14:17] Nebadon Izumi: blender is more like Firefox
14:17] Nebadon Izumi: or Chrome
14:17] Timber Wolfe: ic
14:17] Nebadon Izumi: they are making money
14:17] Richardus Raymaker: i hope not nebadon. that menas the add useless functions :P
14:17] Nebadon Izumi: its not just volunteers
14:18] Richardus Raymaker: \means
14:18] Nebadon Izumi: they pay a lot of people to work on blender
14:18] Nebadon Izumi: they sell training material etc..
14:18] Nebadon Izumi: its a for profit venture
14:18] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
14:19] Oddball Otoole: has anyone tried the free 3DS max thing monerda mentioned on the forum? http://forums.osgrid.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=4258
14:19] Key Gruin: now if only Cloud Party would hae better Blender support
14:19] Richardus Raymaker: 3dmax free ?
14:19] Richardus Raymaker: cant belioeve that
14:19] Key Gruin: they are very Maya fuocused
14:19] Key Gruin: focused
14:20] Oddball Otoole: i don't like cloud party, it looks like a SL/blue mars mix
14:20] Nebadon Izumi: everything i uploaded in Cloud Party was from blender
14:20] Nebadon Izumi: it worked ok
14:20] Key Gruin: oh you have to be a student or associated with an educational org
14:20] Nebadon Izumi: though like i said, .obj stuff works better than .dae does
14:20] Oddball Otoole: or un-employed
14:21] Richardus Raymaker: i never read forum. already enough to read :O bad habbit
14:21] Richardus Raymaker: usenet server would possible work much betetr
14:21] Timber Wolfe: usenet is so 90's
14:21] Oddball Otoole: yeah, that's why everybody uses forums
14:22] Richardus Raymaker: well, its still better to folow then forums. offcorse i dont use usenet not anymore
14:22] Bea Witched: time to make supper, be well all and ty for the links and tips :)
14:22] Vivian Klees: cya later Bea
14:22] Boba Solo: tc
14:22] Key Gruin: take care Bea, later
14:22] Bea Witched: =)
14:22] Timber Wolfe: usenet was old in 1994 and became spam city
14:23] Oddball Otoole: you have to pay for the links bea..3 hugs for every useful link
14:23] Key Gruin: I'm about ready to take my second shower of the day phew
14:23] Richardus Raymaker: looks its only for students that program. and better use free software
14:23] Timber Wolfe: 2 showers???
14:23] Nebadon Izumi: heh i am so tired right now lol, my sleep schedule is so fubar
14:23] Nebadon Izumi: i need to fight it
14:23] Nebadon Izumi: lol
14:23] Timber Wolfe: turn up the ac
14:23] Nebadon IzumiNebadon Izumi slaps self
14:23] Key Gruin: I don't have AC
14:23] Oddball Otoole: prolly one normal shower and one golde....hrm, nvm
14:24] Timber Wolfe: how come?
14:24] Key Gruin: oddy...
14:24] Nebadon Izumi: climb into your freezer for 15 minutes?
14:24] Timber Wolfe: lol odd
14:24] Richardus Raymaker: if you give AC first :) well not hot here
14:24] Key Gruin: lol
14:24] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
14:24] Key GruinKey Gruin wags a finger at oddy
14:24] Nebadon Izumi: if i didnt have AC right now id be dead
14:24] Nebadon Izumi: its 105 outside
14:25] Nebadon Izumi: we hit 108 a few times this week
14:25] Timber Wolfe: yeah but back before 1910 ther was no such thing as ac
14:25] Key Gruin: yeah but its dry down there
14:25] Timber Wolfe: people did fine :)
14:25] Oddball Otoole: one question: is there any reason why outfits won't load in the V3 outfit window thingy?
14:25] Richardus Raymaker: 105 outside. then with all your pc's and dead arco it must be 150 inside
14:25] Timber Wolfe: did you pay your new outfit invoice?
14:25] Jalen Optera: I don't know the answer oddy, but have the same question
14:26] Key Gruin: 95 here, 40% humidity
14:26] Richardus Raymaker: still, waiting for a good V3. but sunds like i dont mis anything
14:26] Boba Solo: OSG5B looken good nebadon
14:27] Boba Solo: think I have Animah to grab the last spot on the North
14:27] Boba Solo: she is a great mesh builder