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[2012/02/05 13:09] Key Gruin stumbles his way around half rezzed tables and avatars

[2012/02/05 13:09] Jalen Optera: o, there you are key

[2012/02/05 13:10] Jalen Optera: well, bits of you

[2012/02/05 13:10] Shez Oyen: I don't see him at all

[2012/02/05 13:10] Key Gruin: hope I didn't sit on anyone

[2012/02/05 13:10] Key Gruin: if so, they are goners

[2012/02/05 13:10] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[2012/02/05 13:11] Mercalia Beck has entered chat range (8.8m)

[2012/02/05 13:11] MacZ Dolo shouts: we can't get to the meeting!!

[2012/02/05 13:11] Jalen Optera: you just rezzed for me key, all is well

[2012/02/05 13:11] Key Gruin: oh cool

[2012/02/05 13:11] MacZ Dolo has entered chat range (8.0m)

[2012/02/05 13:11] Key Gruin: MacZ you made it

[2012/02/05 13:11] Marcus Llewellyn shouts: You didn't buy tickets! Find a scalper!

[2012/02/05 13:11] Key Gruin: congrats

[2012/02/05 13:11] MacZ Dolo: ty :)

[2012/02/05 13:11] MacZ Dolo: lots of folks at the bottom can't get up

[2012/02/05 13:11] MacZ Dolo: the tp is not working, lag?

[2012/02/05 13:12] Nebadon Izumi: did the teleporter not work?

[2012/02/05 13:12] Mercalia Beck: well I seem to be just in the air

[2012/02/05 13:12] Shez Oyen: tell them to sit on it

[2012/02/05 13:12] Nebadon Izumi: it worked for me

[2012/02/05 13:12] Key Gruin: they need to use the teleporter machine

[2012/02/05 13:12] Mercalia Beck: cant see any thing or any one

[2012/02/05 13:12] Shez Oyen: you don't just click.. point at 8 and sit on it

[2012/02/05 13:12] Mercalia Beck: the building invis

[2012/02/05 13:12] Marcus Llewellyn: I just offered a couple TPs

[2012/02/05 13:12] Arielle Popstar has entered chat range (2.5m)

[2012/02/05 13:12] Mercalia Beck: i think ppl cant see thge building lol

[2012/02/05 13:12] Mika Mesmeriser has entered chat range (4.1m)

[2012/02/05 13:12] Mercalia Beck: i cant

[2012/02/05 13:12] MacZ Dolo: seems like the announcement should have had a tp

[2012/02/05 13:12] Key Gruin: yes everyone will experience nothingness upon first entry

[2012/02/05 13:12] Mika Mesmeriser: tx

[2012/02/05 13:12] gimisa cerise has entered chat range (5.5m)

[2012/02/05 13:13] Jalen Optera: its very zen

[2012/02/05 13:13] Marcus Llewellyn: :)

[2012/02/05 13:13] Key Gruin: it's the zen experience

[2012/02/05 13:13] Key Gruin whispers: :D

[2012/02/05 13:13] Nebadon Izumi: ya not sure whats going on the server looks fine on the console

[2012/02/05 13:13] Shez Oyen: lol were you loving that Marcus?

[2012/02/05 13:13] Nebadon Izumi: did seem a bit slow loading though

[2012/02/05 13:13] Marcus Llewellyn: Lovin' which where?

[2012/02/05 13:13] Shez Oyen: When Mika was sitting on you

[2012/02/05 13:13] Mercalia Beck: maybe the meeting should be in lbsa plaza?

[2012/02/05 13:14] Marcus Llewellyn: Oh! lol

[2012/02/05 13:14] Arielle Popstar: i keep seeing this:

[2012/02/05 13:14] Arielle Popstar: [13:13] timed out, rezzing new block

[2012/02/05 13:14] Mercalia Beck: no reason to come here

[2012/02/05 13:14] MacZ Dolo: there's a bunch of folks at lbsa

[2012/02/05 13:14] Shez Oyen: That is an adorable outfit Mika.. love the colors

[2012/02/05 13:14] Nebadon Izumi: Lbsa is the same server

[2012/02/05 13:14] Key Gruin: ohjust give it a minute or two

[2012/02/05 13:14] Jalen Optera: then noobs with region issues would constantly interrupt

[2012/02/05 13:14] Mika Mesmeriser: ty shez

[2012/02/05 13:14] Mercalia Beck: well would be none of this tp stuff

[2012/02/05 13:14] Mercalia Beck: mabe also fewer prims to rezz

[2012/02/05 13:15] Arielle Popstar: feeling an overdose of bananas today J? :)

[2012/02/05 13:15] Jalen Optera: hush

[2012/02/05 13:15] Key Gruin: bananass?

[2012/02/05 13:15] Jalen Optera: banana rum key

[2012/02/05 13:16] Key Gruin chuckles

[2012/02/05 13:16] Key Gruin: awww poor bably

[2012/02/05 13:16] Arielle Popstar: oh i was going to cover by saying banana muffins\

[2012/02/05 13:16] Key Gruin: baby evun

[2012/02/05 13:16] Jalen Optera: I like bably

[2012/02/05 13:16] Shez Oyen: lol

[2012/02/05 13:16] Key Gruin: hehe

[2012/02/05 13:16] Richardus Raymaker: nuts ?!

[2012/02/05 13:16] Jalen Optera: why yes Rira, yes I am ;)

[2012/02/05 13:16] Marcus Llewellyn: Turn head and cough?

[2012/02/05 13:17] Arielle Popstar: i think he is asking if he has any \

[2012/02/05 13:17] Jalen Optera: that I cannot speak to

[2012/02/05 13:17] Arielle Popstar: maybe i misunderstood :P

[2012/02/05 13:17] Key Gruin: who's on first?

[2012/02/05 13:17] Saphy Riler: we lost neb...:(

[2012/02/05 13:17] Jalen Optera: no, who is on second

[2012/02/05 13:18] Arielle Popstar: i second that

[2012/02/05 13:18] Jalen Optera: neb will come back, I left a crumb trail

[2012/02/05 13:18] Key Gruin: what's on second, who's on third!

[2012/02/05 13:18] Anastasios Aurotharius: I'm on v3

[2012/02/05 13:18] Saphy Riler: *grins at jalen*

[2012/02/05 13:18] Shez Oyen: Did you round 'em up Neb?

[2012/02/05 13:18] Nebadon Izumi: heh i accidently closed browser

[2012/02/05 13:18] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[2012/02/05 13:19] Shez Oyen: lol

[2012/02/05 13:19] Saphy Riler: wb

[2012/02/05 13:19] Shez Oyen: I hate when that happens

[2012/02/05 13:19] Nebadon Izumi: relog seemed better than my 1st login here

[2012/02/05 13:19] Jeeper Shim: lol

[2012/02/05 13:19] Key Gruin: yeah I see a pile of crumbs on the table in front of neb

[2012/02/05 13:19] Jalen Optera: always works

[2012/02/05 13:19] Shez Oyen: folks who can't tp from down below should just fly up

[2012/02/05 13:19] Jalen Optera: is there a gavel or something that will signal the start of the meeting?

[2012/02/05 13:20] Richardus Raymaker: [x] the are always so attractive

[2012/02/05 13:20] Key Gruin: if I had a gavel

[2012/02/05 13:20] Nebadon Izumi: Well I have some semi-good news

[2012/02/05 13:20] Nebadon Izumi: I think i got the region cleaner working

[2012/02/05 13:20] Key Gruin: I'd gavel in the morning

[2012/02/05 13:20] Nebadon Izumi: it will be a few weeks before its ready though

[2012/02/05 13:20] Arielle Popstar: oh cool\

[2012/02/05 13:20] Nebadon Izumi: it has to run for two weeks

[2012/02/05 13:20] Shez Oyen: Would you gavel in the morning, Key?

[2012/02/05 13:20] Nebadon Izumi: then ill clean the grid

[2012/02/05 13:20] Shez Oyen: All over this land

[2012/02/05 13:20] Jalen Optera: nice, a clean grid

[2012/02/05 13:20] Arielle Popstar: why it has t run for that time?

[2012/02/05 13:20] Nebadon Izumi: I am guessing we'll probably see about a 50% reduction in regions

[2012/02/05 13:20] Nebadon Izumi: to determine if regions are truly down

[2012/02/05 13:21] Richardus Raymaker: aha. and ohhh

[2012/02/05 13:21] gimisa cerise: whats the cleaning criterias?

[2012/02/05 13:21] Marcus Llewellyn: Awesome. There's a ton of deadwood in my neck of the woods on the map.

[2012/02/05 13:21] Nebadon Izumi: any region that is not succesfully pinged for 2 weeks

[2012/02/05 13:21] Arielle Popstar: ahh ok, usage patterns

[2012/02/05 13:21] Nebadon Izumi: will get purged

[2012/02/05 13:21] Nebadon Izumi: it pings regions twice a day

[2012/02/05 13:21] Nebadon Izumi: so 28 pings

[2012/02/05 13:21] Nebadon Izumi: if you we get zero success it will go

[2012/02/05 13:21] Shez Oyen: 2 weeks! That is very generous

[2012/02/05 13:21] gimisa cerise: exception for new region I guess

[2012/02/05 13:21] Arielle Popstar: it is\

[2012/02/05 13:21] Nebadon Izumi: just playing it safe

[2012/02/05 13:21] Richardus Raymaker: tricky question. then you must pure ping on port ?

[2012/02/05 13:21] Nebadon Izumi: not everyone can keep their region up 24/7

[2012/02/05 13:21] Nebadon Izumi: no what it does

[2012/02/05 13:21] Nebadon Izumi: is it loads the maptile

[2012/02/05 13:22] Nebadon Izumi: from your regions maptile URL

[2012/02/05 13:22] stiofain nbmcmedia has entered chat range (4.3m)

[2012/02/05 13:22] Richardus Raymaker: ok. that sounds save

[2012/02/05 13:22] Nebadon Izumi: ie : http://nebadon2025.homeftp.net:25002/index.php?method=regionImaged330e810eadb11e095720800200c9a66

[2012/02/05 13:22] Nebadon Izumi: if we get a bad result page not found

[2012/02/05 13:22] Nebadon Izumi: your ping is marked as a fail

[2012/02/05 13:22] stiofain nbmcmedia: hi folks

[2012/02/05 13:22] Key Gruin: hi stiofain

[2012/02/05 13:22] Saphy Riler: *waves*

[2012/02/05 13:22] Shez Oyen: Hi Stiofain

[2012/02/05 13:22] Jeeper Shim: hi stio

[2012/02/05 13:22] Richardus Raymaker: because one server is off for some time now.

[2012/02/05 13:23] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[2012/02/05 13:23] Nebadon Izumi: i suspect were going to see a drastic drop in region #'s

[2012/02/05 13:23] Gemini Unplugged: if the region goes down while someone is out of town is their a way of getting it back . or just have to recreate it?

[2012/02/05 13:23] Nebadon Izumi: generally when we do this we see about a 50% reduction

[2012/02/05 13:23] Richardus Raymaker: well note the current and before the wipe :O

[2012/02/05 13:23] Nebadon Izumi: then over the next few days like 10% will come back

[2012/02/05 13:23] Nebadon Izumi: people trying to reserve spaces

[2012/02/05 13:23] Nebadon Izumi: or have a ring around their regions

[2012/02/05 13:23] Jalen Optera: just frees up the map space Gemini

[2012/02/05 13:23] Arielle Popstar: just rerun it and if coordinate still open all god

[2012/02/05 13:23] Arielle Popstar: good^

[2012/02/05 13:24] Gemini Unplugged: ok fair enough

[2012/02/05 13:24] Fu Barr has entered chat range (18.7m)

[2012/02/05 13:24] Richardus Raymaker: there's no door !

[2012/02/05 13:24] Nebadon Izumi: right now the 19th is the tentative 1st day for the cleaning

[2012/02/05 13:24] Arielle Popstar: part time regions should go out in the boonies anyway

[2012/02/05 13:24] Key Gruin: ok so if we want a ring around our sim we only need to start it up once every 28 days

[2012/02/05 13:24] Key Gruin: then kill it

[2012/02/05 13:24] Nebadon Izumi: I won't know for sure for another 24 hours that its working 100% correct

[2012/02/05 13:24] Arielle Popstar: and i include my oown regions

[2012/02/05 13:24] Nebadon Izumi: i thought i had it working yesterday

[2012/02/05 13:24] Nebadon Izumi: only to find out this morning there was a mistake in the code

[2012/02/05 13:24] Fu Barr is there a way to get into this level w.o the tp - it doesn;t want to move me to the 8th level..

[2012/02/05 13:25] Nebadon Izumi: so had to push it back 1 day

[2012/02/05 13:25] Nebadon Izumi: its possible that could still occur again, but I am pretty confident right now it will work

[2012/02/05 13:25] Vivian Klees has entered chat range (2.6m)

[2012/02/05 13:25] Fu Barr: thanks arielle and all for the tp's :)

[2012/02/05 13:25] Gemini Unplugged: what do you mean by the ring around the sim? sorry I am new to this and it's my first meeting ㋡

[2012/02/05 13:25] Arielle Popstar: yw Fu

[2012/02/05 13:25] Shez Oyen: Hi Viv :)

[2012/02/05 13:25] Key Gruin: hi Fu, hi Viv

[2012/02/05 13:26] Fu Barr: helo all!

[2012/02/05 13:26] Richardus Raymaker: nebadon, do you make automatic backup of the table before you start deletion ?

[2012/02/05 13:26] Vivian Klees: hello everyone

[2012/02/05 13:26] Nebadon Izumi: ya I will dump the region table

[2012/02/05 13:26] Jalen Optera: hi Vivi

[2012/02/05 13:26] Richardus Raymaker: hi fu viv

[2012/02/05 13:26] Saphy Riler: *waves*

[2012/02/05 13:26] Nebadon Izumi: just incase things go haywire

[2012/02/05 13:26] Nebadon Izumi: we can get a fast recovery

[2012/02/05 13:26] Richardus Raymaker: yes

[2012/02/05 13:26] Key Gruin: a protective ring of regions

[2012/02/05 13:26] Key Gruin: whch will keep others from attaching to your sim

[2012/02/05 13:26] Richardus Raymaker: well, dead region as ring is very bad. you create lag on your neighborn region.

[2012/02/05 13:26] Gemini Unplugged: oh that

[2012/02/05 13:26] Gemini Unplugged: hmm

[2012/02/05 13:26] Nebadon Izumi: if all goes well

[2012/02/05 13:27] Nebadon Izumi: I will probably automate the region cleaning process

[2012/02/05 13:27] Shez Oyen: a live ring without any prims on it takes almost no resources

[2012/02/05 13:27] Marcus Llewellyn: That'd be cool.

[2012/02/05 13:27] Shez Oyen: I have a dead sea instance that takes nuthing

[2012/02/05 13:27] Jeeper Shim: that's what I have Shez

[2012/02/05 13:28] Richardus Raymaker: i have watre instances

[2012/02/05 13:28] Key Gruin: maybe about 5-10 mb per region

[2012/02/05 13:28] Nebadon Izumi: ok well if you are keeping dead regions to preserve spaces

[2012/02/05 13:28] Shez Oyen: yes Richardus

[2012/02/05 13:28] Richardus Raymaker: and 2 mountains. 1 of it ahve lag from dead neighborn

[2012/02/05 13:28] Nebadon Izumi: you are probably going to want to keep checking the map and restart your regions often

[2012/02/05 13:28] Richardus Raymaker: welll, mine are not dead. just up and running

[2012/02/05 13:28] Arielle Popstar: but lot of spam if it is surrounded by other regions

[2012/02/05 13:28] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[2012/02/05 13:28] Marcus Llewellyn: I almost always do clean shutdown, myself, crashes aside.

[2012/02/05 13:29] Arielle Popstar: me too

[2012/02/05 13:29] Key Gruin: couldn't you just put them up once for a day, every 28 days?

[2012/02/05 13:29] Mercalia Beck: so do i

[2012/02/05 13:29] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[2012/02/05 13:29] Richardus Raymaker: normal i do, besides the mega.. but thats longer offline then i did planend

[2012/02/05 13:29] Nebadon Izumi: you could just run them for a day once a week

[2012/02/05 13:29] Nebadon Izumi: empty regions don't take much resources

[2012/02/05 13:29] Arielle Popstar: as long as it is around the time the pings are sent out

[2012/02/05 13:29] Nebadon Izumi: and reserving lots of regions with dead spaces is kind of lame

[2012/02/05 13:29] Richardus Raymaker: its betetr to have just running regions and not dead ones that are up once a week short

[2012/02/05 13:30] MacZ Dolo: of course we don't like visiting empty sims.... just saying

[2012/02/05 13:30] Void Pipe has entered chat range (19.2m)

[2012/02/05 13:30] Richardus Raymaker: well some watre sims in a full area gives some breathing space. not everybody keeps the right scenery

[2012/02/05 13:30] Vivian Klees: pull out the sailboat then

[2012/02/05 13:30] Richardus Raymaker: hehe, i have boarts on most water sims

[2012/02/05 13:30] Arielle Popstar: then move away from the center Rira

[2012/02/05 13:30] Richardus Raymaker: dead boats lol

[2012/02/05 13:31] Shez Oyen: Hiya Void

[2012/02/05 13:31] Void Pipe: hi all

[2012/02/05 13:31] Saphy Riler: *waves*

[2012/02/05 13:31] Arielle Popstar: go to 8k 8k and it is empty

[2012/02/05 13:31] Nebadon Izumi: hello

[2012/02/05 13:31] Nebadon Izumi: ya there is crap loads of space still

[2012/02/05 13:31] Nebadon Izumi: 4096x4096 is 16 million spaces

[2012/02/05 13:31] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[2012/02/05 13:31] Marcus Llewellyn: I've never had to hunt too hard for a spot.

[2012/02/05 13:31] Richardus Raymaker: my mega is far away from center

[2012/02/05 13:31] Nebadon Izumi: we are only using about 10k spaces right now

[2012/02/05 13:31] Nebadon Izumi: so there is still a lot of space

[2012/02/05 13:32] Richardus Raymaker: how many does LL have now ?

[2012/02/05 13:32] Nebadon Izumi: probably somewhere between 25k-30k

[2012/02/05 13:32] Fu Barr likes to keep his 10024x10024 'Manhattan' postcode...

[2012/02/05 13:32] Richardus Raymaker: lol fu. do you have arocketcar to travel that size

[2012/02/05 13:32] Shez Oyen: Don't say anything interesting 'til I get back.. afk a sec

[2012/02/05 13:32] Arielle Popstar: but the dead regions cause a lot of spam

[2012/02/05 13:33] Nebadon Izumi: ya, it may make things run a little better cleaning them out

[2012/02/05 13:33] Arielle Popstar: if parked beside one

[2012/02/05 13:33] Nebadon Izumi: mostly its just a bit spammy on startup

[2012/02/05 13:33] Richardus Raymaker: maby if the cleaner works good neb need to increase the cleanings.

[2012/02/05 13:33] Nebadon Izumi: ua

[2012/02/05 13:33] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[2012/02/05 13:33] Nebadon Izumi: if it works well my next step is automating the process

[2012/02/05 13:33] Nebadon Izumi: to run once a day

[2012/02/05 13:33] Fu Barr: as an aside - how are 'dead regions' operationalised/recognised?

[2012/02/05 13:33] Arielle Popstar: last couple releases i see a lot of spam wit offline regions

[2012/02/05 13:33] Gemini Unplugged: what doyou mean by the dead regions cause spam?

[2012/02/05 13:33] Richardus Raymaker: hmm onca a day is tricky. lol if something happens you lose important spot

[2012/02/05 13:34] Key Gruin: if they don't respond to a ping just once in 28 days Fu

[2012/02/05 13:34] MacZ Dolo: once a week richard

[2012/02/05 13:34] Nebadon Izumi: they create spew on the sim consoles Gemini

[2012/02/05 13:34] Fu Barr: @gemini - they talk to us from beyong the trashcan...

[2012/02/05 13:34] Nebadon Izumi: mostly when sims startup

[2012/02/05 13:34] gimisa cerise: ya arielle how is that so

[2012/02/05 13:34] Gemini Unplugged: ah

[2012/02/05 13:34] Marcus Llewellyn: Would be nice if region owners has a tool that allowed them to purge their own regions as well.

[2012/02/05 13:34] Richardus Raymaker: neb said run it once day if it works fine maxz

[2012/02/05 13:34] Arielle Popstar: any cjild avi movement te console tries t tell the dead region

[2012/02/05 13:34] Gemini Unplugged: the talkiing to neeighbors thing?\

[2012/02/05 13:35] Arielle Popstar: child^

[2012/02/05 13:35] Arielle Popstar: yes

[2012/02/05 13:35] Richardus Raymaker: bigger problem is the lag dead regions give

[2012/02/05 13:35] Key Gruin: just remember your UUID then you can start it up and quit it tok purge

[2012/02/05 13:35] Arielle Popstar: thats why the lag \Rira

[2012/02/05 13:35] Richardus Raymaker: well, cleaning interval is fsomething for later. let it work first

[2012/02/05 13:35] Key Gruin: keep a backup of all Regions.ini s

[2012/02/05 13:35] Marcus Llewellyn: Yeah, but I see more than few requests from time to time from people who don't take note of their region UUIDs.

[2012/02/05 13:36] gimisa cerise: ok neghbouring signals

[2012/02/05 13:36] Key Gruin: yeah because they reformat their PC or it dies or something

[2012/02/05 13:36] Nebadon Izumi: well even when it runs once a day

[2012/02/05 13:36] Arielle Popstar: be nice if a neighbour isnt online the console wouldnt bother talking to it

[2012/02/05 13:36] Nebadon Izumi: it will be checking 2 weeks of stats

[2012/02/05 13:36] Marcus Llewellyn: I keep mine on dead trees. Hehe. But not every does, or even realizes that the UUID can be important and not just a throwaway.

[2012/02/05 13:37] Richardus Raymaker: especially with sqlite your a bit doomed. mysql you have more change to find uuid back

[2012/02/05 13:37] Richardus Raymaker: but anyway have x backups of ini's

[2012/02/05 13:37] pickle flagon has entered chat range (8.8m)

[2012/02/05 13:37] Richardus Raymaker: hi pickle cloud for me

[2012/02/05 13:37] Key Gruin: I just email to myself, so I can find it in gmail

[2012/02/05 13:37] pickle flagon: Hey

[2012/02/05 13:38] Saphy Riler: *grins as she takes notes*

[2012/02/05 13:38] Arielle Popstar: or put opensim.db as attachment

[2012/02/05 13:38] Richardus Raymaker: lol. if that fits

[2012/02/05 13:38] Marcus Llewellyn: Hehe

[2012/02/05 13:38] Arielle Popstar: my 6 region mega is less then 20 MB

[2012/02/05 13:38] Marcus Llewellyn: You can browse a SQLite DB with the right tools. Don't ask me what/where they are though.

[2012/02/05 13:39] Richardus Raymaker: i love mysql..

[2012/02/05 13:39] Arielle Popstar: sqlite browser\

[2012/02/05 13:39] Nebadon Izumi: sqlitebrowser

[2012/02/05 13:39] Arielle Popstar: it works good

[2012/02/05 13:39] Nebadon Izumi: there might be a version of Navicat too

[2012/02/05 13:39] Nebadon Izumi: that loads sqlite

[2012/02/05 13:39] Fu Barr copies Regions.ini into a dir on his server.

[2012/02/05 13:39] Key Gruin: there's a Firefox extension even

[2012/02/05 13:39] Richardus Raymaker: No Fu Barr that you need to copy away from your server onto usb / cd or what so

[2012/02/05 13:40] Shez Oyen: yes.. a Firefox add on for SQlite.

[2012/02/05 13:40] Nebadon Izumi: however with sqlite

[2012/02/05 13:40] Nebadon Izumi: you must shut down your sim

[2012/02/05 13:40] Nebadon Izumi: sqlite doesnt support file sharing

[2012/02/05 13:40] Void Pipe: i dont get it... why use sqlite at all?

[2012/02/05 13:40] Nebadon Izumi: so only one process can access any given database

[2012/02/05 13:40] Arielle Popstar: ?

[2012/02/05 13:40] Marcus Llewellyn: I have Regions.ini's everywhere. They're the equivalent of change in my network's couch cushions. :P

[2012/02/05 13:40] Richardus Raymaker: go.. on neb... mysql toy can replace the table without opensim restart ????????

[2012/02/05 13:40] Nebadon Izumi: well

[2012/02/05 13:40] Nebadon Izumi: you still need to restart for the simulator to get the updates

[2012/02/05 13:40] Nebadon Izumi: but

[2012/02/05 13:41] Nebadon Izumi: you don't have to shut the sim down to browse the database

[2012/02/05 13:41] Richardus Raymaker: ohh. i see.

[2012/02/05 13:41] Nebadon Izumi: with sqlite you do

[2012/02/05 13:41] Richardus Raymaker: yes

[2012/02/05 13:41] Shez Oyen: Neb I peruse the dbase all the time while it's up

[2012/02/05 13:41] Richardus Raymaker: and mysql you can have a central raid 5 db server for more servers. not sure if you can do that easy with sqlite

[2012/02/05 13:41] Nebadon Izumi: sqlite?

[2012/02/05 13:41] Shez Oyen: even across my network

[2012/02/05 13:41] Shez Oyen: yes

[2012/02/05 13:41] Nebadon Izumi: that seems impossible

[2012/02/05 13:41] Nebadon Izumi: the file should be locked

[2012/02/05 13:41] Shez Oyen: I do it all the time and delete stuff too

[2012/02/05 13:41] Richardus Raymaker: Ahh. now i remeber.. finaly.

[2012/02/05 13:42] Nebadon Izumi: huh

[2012/02/05 13:42] Nebadon Izumi: and what are you using to do it?

[2012/02/05 13:42] Richardus Raymaker: Nebadon, how hard can it be to have some news on the osgrid login page ?

[2012/02/05 13:42] Nebadon Izumi: like what Richardus?

[2012/02/05 13:42] Nebadon Izumi: wouldnt be to hard

[2012/02/05 13:42] Richardus Raymaker: as example events maby ?

[2012/02/05 13:42] Richardus Raymaker: or osgrid news ?

[2012/02/05 13:42] Shez Oyen: sqlitebrowser

[2012/02/05 13:42] Marcus Llewellyn: Current OSGrid release version might be nice.

[2012/02/05 13:43] Marcus Llewellyn: If it's not already there

[2012/02/05 13:43] Richardus Raymaker: thats other good one

[2012/02/05 13:43] Nebadon Izumi: hmm

[2012/02/05 13:43] Shez Oyen: I do download it tho.. twiddle it and reupload it

[2012/02/05 13:43] Marcus Llewellyn: (hardly looks at it these days)

[2012/02/05 13:43] Nebadon Izumi: I suppose we could do that

[2012/02/05 13:43] Nebadon Izumi: i just hate complex login screen, it can slow down the login process

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[2012/02/05 13:44] Marcus Llewellyn: Simple is good.

[2012/02/05 13:44] Richardus Raymaker: its just some idea, and hope people find soem things more easy. like speedbuild , or primwords

[2012/02/05 13:44] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[2012/02/05 13:44] Nebadon Izumi: i'll have to think about the best way

[2012/02/05 13:44] Marcus Llewellyn: Although we could have a spinny 3d globe like 3RG has. >:)

[2012/02/05 13:44] Richardus Raymaker: lol..

[2012/02/05 13:44] Nebadon Izumi: so its not a pain to edit it

[2012/02/05 13:44] Nebadon Izumi: maybe have the osgrid twitter feed

[2012/02/05 13:45] Richardus Raymaker: thats option to, nice start. and easy

[2012/02/05 13:45] Nebadon Izumi: i'll see if i can find a good twitter widget

[2012/02/05 13:45] Gemini Unplugged: twitter feed is a good idea

[2012/02/05 13:45] Marcus Llewellyn: Yeah, just iframing twitter would cover most essential stuff.

[2012/02/05 13:45] Key Gruin: good idea

[2012/02/05 13:45] Nebadon Izumi: ok

[2012/02/05 13:45] Nebadon Izumi: i'll work on that

[2012/02/05 13:46] Key Gruin: cool

[2012/02/05 13:46] Marcus Llewellyn: Or anew ticker along the bottom. NEW FLASH!

[2012/02/05 13:46] Marcus Llewellyn: news*

[2012/02/05 13:46] Nebadon Izumi: ya, maybe i can find a twitter widget

[2012/02/05 13:46] Nebadon Izumi: that works like that

[2012/02/05 13:46] Richardus Raymaker: prim words you can maby give a place with picture as example

[2012/02/05 13:46] Arielle Popstar has entered chat range (3.0m)

[2012/02/05 13:46] Marcus Llewellyn: Nah, I agree... less clutter is best, and the twitter feed fits the bill.

[2012/02/05 13:46] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[2012/02/05 13:46] Key Gruin: all neb has to do is retweet my tweets on that kind of stuff and he does generally

[2012/02/05 13:46] Nebadon Izumi: i'll poke around see what I can find

[2012/02/05 13:47] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[2012/02/05 13:47] Nebadon Izumi: that would make it so much easier

[2012/02/05 13:47] Key Gruin: yeah

[2012/02/05 13:47] Nebadon Izumi: so im not editing HTML code everytime

[2012/02/05 13:47] Shez Oyen: pain

[2012/02/05 13:47] Richardus Raymaker: yes. screens are still small..

[2012/02/05 13:47] Richardus Raymaker: yes

[2012/02/05 13:47] Gemini Unplugged: it can't pull from hashtags?

[2012/02/05 13:47] Richardus Raymaker: and also easy to tweet a osgrid disruption etc.

[2012/02/05 13:47] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[2012/02/05 13:48] Nebadon Izumi: i usually do that anyway

[2012/02/05 13:48] Marcus Llewellyn: My only other complaint is all the white. I get up when I can't sleep, open the viewer, and scream "OW! My eyes!" It's like looking at the opening of the Ark of the Covenant in a dark room. :)

[2012/02/05 13:48] Key Gruin: yup anything like that should be on the front page

[2012/02/05 13:48] Richardus Raymaker: you cannot tweet in different (color) styles ?

[2012/02/05 13:48] Oddball Otoole has entered chat range (16.4m)

[2012/02/05 13:48] Jalen Optera: lol Marcus

[2012/02/05 13:48] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[2012/02/05 13:48] Oddball Otoole: Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! :D :p :D :p :D

[2012/02/05 13:48] Nebadon Izumi: ok i'll take that into consideration

[2012/02/05 13:48] Han Held has entered chat range (15.8m)

[2012/02/05 13:48] Key Gruin: hey Oddy

[2012/02/05 13:48] Nebadon Izumi: its better than coffee!!

[2012/02/05 13:48] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[2012/02/05 13:48] Oddball Otoole: hi all

[2012/02/05 13:48] Fu Barr thinkgs the Art in a Dark Room is an awesome parody scene.

[2012/02/05 13:48] Saphy Riler: *waves*

[2012/02/05 13:49] Jalen Optera: hold on, nothing is better than coffee

[2012/02/05 13:49] Fu Barr: s/Art/Ark

[2012/02/05 13:49] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[2012/02/05 13:49] Jalen Optera: lets not go overboard

[2012/02/05 13:49] Jeeper Shim: hi Odd

[2012/02/05 13:49] Richardus Raymaker: i think try to bring the osgrid style webpage also into the viewer ?

[2012/02/05 13:49] Nebadon Izumi: ya I can probably do up the login screen better

[2012/02/05 13:49] Richardus Raymaker: only the colors

[2012/02/05 13:49] Oddball Otoole: a black/orange viewer

[2012/02/05 13:49] Marcus Llewellyn tried to think of more work for Neb to do. :)

[2012/02/05 13:49] Marcus Llewellyn: tries*

[2012/02/05 13:49] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[2012/02/05 13:49] Shez Oyen: heh

[2012/02/05 13:49] Arielle Popstar: welcome to the darkside?

[2012/02/05 13:50] pickle flagon: coffe sux

[2012/02/05 13:50] Nebadon Izumi: i'll come up with something cool

[2012/02/05 13:50] Key Gruin: can you put the Recreation Plaza link in the login page Neb?

[2012/02/05 13:50] Han Held: Are there gonna be a regular thing...or HAVE they been a regular thing?

[2012/02/05 13:50] Marcus Llewellyn: Oh, good point, Key

[2012/02/05 13:50] Nebadon Izumi: ive been playing with the Universal Campus web page lately

[2012/02/05 13:50] Nebadon Izumi: http://uc.onikenkon.com

[2012/02/05 13:50] Shez Oyen: They look super Neb

[2012/02/05 13:50] Fu Barr: I wondered why there wasn;t a rotation selection of 'locations' a la Linden grid. I kinda liked those images. And they never needs to be changed... some of the lInden ones are as pre-windlight...

[2012/02/05 13:50] Key Gruin: Once a month now, Han

[2012/02/05 13:50] Key Gruin: Han, and everyone who hasn

[2012/02/05 13:50] Han Held: Thanks, Key

[2012/02/05 13:50] Nebadon Izumi: sure

[2012/02/05 13:50] Jalen Optera: Is there a new source for the osg log ? in case someone wants to do some t-shirts for instance, the link I found in the forums is bad.

[2012/02/05 13:51] Nebadon Izumi: i'll work that in Key

[2012/02/05 13:51] Jalen Optera: logo

[2012/02/05 13:51] Key Gruin: hasnt, join the group so you get notices

[2012/02/05 13:51] Nebadon Izumi: let me make some notes hehe

[2012/02/05 13:51] Marcus Llewellyn: One upon a time I think the login pages showed images from the OSgrid gallery at random.

[2012/02/05 13:51] Oddball Otoole: I have been playing with meshes, but I don't see textures in the viewers preview window. Is that viewer related?

[2012/02/05 13:51] Key Gruin: the time may change from month to month

[2012/02/05 13:51] Richardus Raymaker: Fu barr you point a rotation of plaza's ?

[2012/02/05 13:51] Key Gruin: there is a group joiner here

[2012/02/05 13:51] Marcus Llewellyn: You mean when you try to include textures as part of the mesh upload process,m Odd?

[2012/02/05 13:51] Fu Barr: @key - maybe... maybe jsut a few nice piccies of pretty locations on the grid. I dunno - me just a sucker for pretty pictures i guess

[2012/02/05 13:51] Nebadon Izumi: I have found that to be tricky

[2012/02/05 13:52] Richardus Raymaker: tricky, and maby slow

[2012/02/05 13:52] Nebadon Izumi: the only way i have gotten textures to actually upload with Blender Collada files

[2012/02/05 13:52] Nebadon Izumi: is to link the textures externally

[2012/02/05 13:52] Oddball Otoole: textures do load with the model, but do not show in the preview window

[2012/02/05 13:52] Marcus Llewellyn: I think I've gotten the mesh upload to include textures maybe twice. There's some sort of secret sauce involved or somehting.

[2012/02/05 13:52] Nebadon Izumi: if you embed the textures inside the models in blender

[2012/02/05 13:52] Nebadon Izumi: they don't seem to upload

[2012/02/05 13:52] Richardus Raymaker: oh mtextures + mesh. i hear that fails many times

[2012/02/05 13:52] Nebadon Izumi: but i probably just don't know wtf im doing either

[2012/02/05 13:52] Oddball Otoole: (textures do load *most of the times* with a model)

[2012/02/05 13:53] Nebadon Izumi: Blender drives me insane

[2012/02/05 13:53] Arielle Popstar: i read for 3d max it matter if thy were saved in directX or opengl

[2012/02/05 13:53] Han Held: Hexagon is free during February <3

[2012/02/05 13:53] Jalen Optera: my meshes, it seems to pick one texture and use it on the whole object

[2012/02/05 13:53] Richardus Raymaker: and you done pretty much with it nebadon

[2012/02/05 13:53] Marcus Llewellyn: I sorta gave up trying, and just upload and apply textures as a seperate step.

[2012/02/05 13:53] Nebadon Izumi: btw did everyone grab a copy of Daz3D yet?

[2012/02/05 13:53] Han Held: BUT

[2012/02/05 13:53] Han Held: it doesn't texture

[2012/02/05 13:53] Marcus Llewellyn: I got Daz, Hexagaon, and Bryce.

[2012/02/05 13:53] Nebadon Izumi: http://www.daz3d.com/i/0/0

[2012/02/05 13:53] Fu Barr: 'saved in DirectX or OpenGL' - wow headspin moment there...

[2012/02/05 13:53] Nebadon Izumi: get it while its hot folks

[2012/02/05 13:53] Arielle Popstar: me too

[2012/02/05 13:53] Saphy Riler: thanks neb

[2012/02/05 13:53] Nebadon Izumi: Hexagon does support Collada

[2012/02/05 13:53] Richardus Raymaker: I have it

[2012/02/05 13:53] Nebadon Izumi: i spoke last night to Maxwell Graf in SL at Rustica

[2012/02/05 13:53] Han Held has them too, and bryce crashes after entering my serial # (on mac) Dx

[2012/02/05 13:53] Fu Barr has no idea how that makes any sense at all.

[2012/02/05 13:54] Oddball Otoole: is bryce good?

[2012/02/05 13:54] Marcus Llewellyn: I tried exporting collada, and both SL and Blender refused to import it.

[2012/02/05 13:54] Nebadon Izumi: he said one of his friends at Rustic is using Hexagon

[2012/02/05 13:54] Nebadon Izumi: to make mesh for SL

[2012/02/05 13:54] Nebadon Izumi: ok well I do know its possible

[2012/02/05 13:54] Key Gruin: oddy there is a checkbox to show the texture in preview

[2012/02/05 13:54] Nebadon Izumi: we just gotta figure it out

[2012/02/05 13:54] Marcus Llewellyn: That was Bryce, though, not Hexagon.

[2012/02/05 13:54] Han Held: @Oddball: I'm not sure, it's just what I'm used to b/c I've played w/ it off and on for a few years. I think Vue is probably better; but IDK

[2012/02/05 13:54] Nebadon Izumi: ya Bryce is for terrains

[2012/02/05 13:54] Nebadon Izumi: Hexagon is for modeling

[2012/02/05 13:54] Oddball Otoole: key: yeah, shows a cool white texture:)

[2012/02/05 13:54] Richardus Raymaker: double check: as long you make your own hexagon objects there are no daz limits ? hexagon most intrestsing. wich of the 3 you need for painting mesh /.sculpts ?

[2012/02/05 13:55] MacZ Dolo: it would be nice to have something that substitutes for not having search capabilities

[2012/02/05 13:55] Marcus Llewellyn: Yeah. But I looked at Hex, and said, "Blender makes more sense." And then I said, "What am I saying?"

[2012/02/05 13:55] Nebadon Izumi: well its new

[2012/02/05 13:55] Timber Wolfe has entered chat range (13.6m)

[2012/02/05 13:55] Nebadon Izumi: anything new is gonna suck at 1st

[2012/02/05 13:55] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[2012/02/05 13:55] Han Held: LOL I have NEVER gotten Blender, I like what I've played w/ Hexagon so far; but it seems more limited than Blender

[2012/02/05 13:55] Shez Oyen: Hiya Timber :)

[2012/02/05 13:55] Nebadon Izumi: and don't get me wrong IM not saying give up blender by any means

[2012/02/05 13:55] Marcus Llewellyn: I do wanna explore it's UV tools, though. If it's auto-unwrap worked better then Blender, I will use that for sure.

[2012/02/05 13:55] Timber Wolfe: hi

[2012/02/05 13:55] Nebadon Izumi: i'll keep using Blender myself

[2012/02/05 13:56] Nebadon Izumi: Maxwell Graf hates blender

[2012/02/05 13:56] Nebadon Izumi: he seems to think Hexagon is a lot better

[2012/02/05 13:56] Nebadon Izumi: he uses Maya primarily though

[2012/02/05 13:56] Marcus Llewellyn: Also folks, it's worth mentioned the licences for Daz and stuff. The models they include can NOT be used in world without violating the license.

[2012/02/05 13:56] Richardus Raymaker: well, i hope to use blender someday. but hexagon looks very nice

[2012/02/05 13:56] Nebadon Izumi: he was working on a crazy mesh house he was showing me

[2012/02/05 13:56] Fu Barr wonders where Maxwell's mythical 3x3 OSG region ever went to

[2012/02/05 13:56] Nebadon Izumi: it was insane

[2012/02/05 13:56] Richardus Raymaker: Yes marcus..

[2012/02/05 13:56] Nebadon Izumi: Max has never had a region on OSgrid

[2012/02/05 13:57] Nebadon Izumi: we talked about it, but he's just to busy

[2012/02/05 13:57] Oddball Otoole: I'm lucky to have access to 3D max, tried blender a couple of times....made me want to kill people

[2012/02/05 13:57] Fu Barr: i know... but i spoke to him many many reinstalls ago and he was talking about it.

[2012/02/05 13:57] Nebadon Izumi: ive been talking to him about maybe doing something on Avination

[2012/02/05 13:57] Nebadon Izumi: selling his items there

[2012/02/05 13:57] Nebadon Izumi: but SL is sort of his livelyhood

[2012/02/05 13:57] Void Pipe: well isnt it worth considering what is opensource or not?

[2012/02/05 13:57] Fu Barr nods

[2012/02/05 13:57] Nebadon Izumi: so giving away his stuff for free is somewhat out of the question

[2012/02/05 13:57] Fu Barr: fair enough

[2012/02/05 13:57] Marcus Llewellyn: Blender has grown on me. It's like mold. An alien mold that excretes endorphins until you decide you love it.

[2012/02/05 13:58] Nebadon Izumi: ya Blender 2.6 is great

[2012/02/05 13:58] Nebadon Izumi: but there is soooo much to learn

[2012/02/05 13:58] Nebadon Izumi: it can be daunting

[2012/02/05 13:58] Saphy Riler: lol marcus

[2012/02/05 13:58] Fu Barr: for what its worth. i agreee with void pipe

[2012/02/05 13:58] Han Held: Blender; meh. :\

[2012/02/05 13:58] Jalen Optera: hmm, taking notes, excrete endorphins, grow like mold until they love you

[2012/02/05 13:58] Marcus Llewellyn: lol

[2012/02/05 13:58] Fu Barr: i really like the FOSS tailchain - even for content creation

[2012/02/05 13:58] Oddball Otoole: so, what's new on the grid

[2012/02/05 13:58] Nebadon Izumi: there is some crazy stuff you can do with blender

[2012/02/05 13:58] Fu Barr: toolchain even

[2012/02/05 13:58] Gemini Unplugged: lol

[2012/02/05 13:59] Marcus Llewellyn: There's little Blender can't do, although some tasks or easier or moreintuitive than others.

[2012/02/05 13:59] MacZ Dolo: i'm somewhat a noob... how does one find out cool places to go? no search, dated web info, sims not online during North America time...

[2012/02/05 13:59] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[2012/02/05 13:59] Nebadon Izumi: what i like is it doesnt cost 2500$

[2012/02/05 13:59] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[2012/02/05 13:59] Fu Barr: blender/gimp/inkscape/opensim/mysql. works for me.

[2012/02/05 13:59] Richardus Raymaker: and it runs on linux, windows and i guess mac

[2012/02/05 13:59] Void Pipe: right... I agree Fu... that is some kind of logic to that

[2012/02/05 13:59] Han Held: I've been here a while , MacZ; if I don't hear about it from word of mouth; I don't find it :/

[2012/02/05 13:59] Marcus Llewellyn: Mostly word of mouth, MacZ. People will sit around at LBSA blabbing about this or that cool thing.

[2012/02/05 13:59] Nebadon Izumi: but do grab Daz3D guys while you can

[2012/02/05 13:59] Nebadon Izumi: its 900$ of software for free

[2012/02/05 14:00] MacZ Dolo: k, thx

[2012/02/05 14:00] Key Gruin: blender is the swiss army knife with a gazillion blades

[2012/02/05 14:00] Fu Barr: yeh - i think there's a real need for a showcase ffort.

[2012/02/05 14:00] Nebadon Izumi: can't loose on that

[2012/02/05 14:00] Han Held: We don't have a function grid-wide search, I don't think?

[2012/02/05 14:00] Saphy Riler: there used to be a box of landmarks you could pick up

[2012/02/05 14:00] Jeeper Shim: I grabbed all 3 but dont really want to learn another program lol

[2012/02/05 14:00] Nebadon Izumi: what are you searching for Han Held?

[2012/02/05 14:00] Marcus Llewellyn: We have search for some things, like people.

[2012/02/05 14:00] gimisa cerise: http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=182532

[2012/02/05 14:00] Fu Barr: i discovered so many amazing places - by just taking a few days to go region hopping on the map... stuff i;ve never heard of etc.

[2012/02/05 14:00] Nebadon Izumi: Places search works too

[2012/02/05 14:00] Shez Oyen: Someone had a travel agency at Wright.. was it Lani? I don't remember

[2012/02/05 14:00] Marcus Llewellyn: +1 Fu

[2012/02/05 14:00] Richardus Raymaker: and it looks good, offcorse daz created some error. maby because i instaleld 1 thing not. some manager.

[2012/02/05 14:00] MacZ Dolo: my area is new

[2012/02/05 14:00] Oddball Otoole grabs a new , fresh, cold, cheap glass of industrial floorcleaner...erm wine, and a download of daz...brb

[2012/02/05 14:00] Han Held: @Nebadon Well, I search for items for my alts, but I was mostly referring to finding cool places

[2012/02/05 14:00] Void Pipe: no it is Sarah that has a travel agency

[2012/02/05 14:01] Nebadon Izumi: ya honestly Items search has never really been good

[2012/02/05 14:01] Nebadon Izumi: even in SL

[2012/02/05 14:01] Fu Barr: merc has the travel guide -

[2012/02/05 14:01] Richardus Raymaker: oddball. the whole daz stuff (32/64 and mac is 4.1GB)

[2012/02/05 14:01] Allen Kerensky has entered chat range (15.8m)

[2012/02/05 14:01] Key Gruin: I thought that was Merclia's

[2012/02/05 14:01] Nebadon Izumi: i was in SL last night searching for a prim mirror

[2012/02/05 14:01] Nebadon Izumi: god what a waste of time

[2012/02/05 14:01] Richardus Raymaker: yes its also for mac

[2012/02/05 14:01] Nebadon Izumi: btw anyone have a good prim mirroring tool?

[2012/02/05 14:01] Marcus Llewellyn: Objects really lack enough metadata to make search practical, I've always thought.

[2012/02/05 14:01] Richardus Raymaker: hi allen

[2012/02/05 14:01] Han Held: heh, I just go to marketplace and don't bother searching inworld

[2012/02/05 14:01] Nebadon Izumi: if you do

[2012/02/05 14:01] Nebadon Izumi: you will be my hero

[2012/02/05 14:01] Key Gruin: Hey Allen

[2012/02/05 14:01] Saphy Riler: *waves at Allen*

[2012/02/05 14:01] Nebadon Izumi: i am so tired of exporting prims to SL so i can mirror them

[2012/02/05 14:01] Richardus Raymaker: you still driveing yourself nuts with the shoes nebadon ?

[2012/02/05 14:01] Allen Kerensky: greetings to everyone - long time

[2012/02/05 14:02] Oddball Otoole: I might have a script somewhere neb.

[2012/02/05 14:02] Fu Barr: so i;m happy to work with people on thinkig about some kind of showcare things - no idea how what where it would look like - but it;s an itch i'd like to scratch.

[2012/02/05 14:02] Han Held: Hi, Allen

[2012/02/05 14:02] Nebadon Izumi: that would be great Oddball

[2012/02/05 14:02] Void Pipe: hmm exaplin what tyou mean with mirror

[2012/02/05 14:02] Nebadon Izumi: we need one we can share with the entire grid

[2012/02/05 14:02] Jalen Optera: Allen!

[2012/02/05 14:02] Marcus Llewellyn: Makes me wonder why TPVs don't have a mirror tool.

[2012/02/05 14:02] Nebadon Izumi: Void Pipe prim mirror will mirror a linkset in opposite direction

[2012/02/05 14:02] pickle flagon: hey Allen

[2012/02/05 14:02] Void Pipe: ahh ok

[2012/02/05 14:02] Nebadon Izumi: like it will make a left shoe into a right shoe

[2012/02/05 14:02] Key Gruin: is it just a script?

[2012/02/05 14:02] Nebadon Izumi: etc..

[2012/02/05 14:02] Nebadon Izumi: ya its usually a couple scripts

[2012/02/05 14:02] Nebadon Izumi: 2 to 3 scripts

[2012/02/05 14:03] Void Pipe: yes i get it

[2012/02/05 14:03] Richardus Raymaker: still exploring and learning lsl.. growing hard

[2012/02/05 14:03] Fu Barr wriggles his bare toes... hmmm shoes... that's an idea...

[2012/02/05 14:03] Nebadon Izumi: i have one in SL

[2012/02/05 14:03] Saphy Riler: I will look on sl market for a opensource

[2012/02/05 14:03] Nebadon Izumi: but its no mod

[2012/02/05 14:03] Key Gruin: ok we need a Script Master to pull that off then

[2012/02/05 14:03] Nebadon Izumi: its a freebie but no mod

[2012/02/05 14:03] Nebadon Izumi: and the ones on the SL forums

[2012/02/05 14:03] Nebadon Izumi: just suck, they dont work

[2012/02/05 14:03] Key Gruin looks over yonder

[2012/02/05 14:03] Key Gruin: towards the bar

[2012/02/05 14:03] Key Gruin: :D)

[2012/02/05 14:03] Fu Barr: /e muses that he's quite happy with his bare feetsies...

[2012/02/05 14:03] Marcus Llewellyn: It's shouldn't be hard in theory. Rez and flip values. But you have to have your math on the ball.

[2012/02/05 14:04] Void Pipe: it should not be to hard to script that

[2012/02/05 14:04] Nebadon Izumi: so ya if everyone can put their radars on for prim mirror

[2012/02/05 14:04] Nebadon Izumi: we need oen that does tortured prims

[2012/02/05 14:04] Nebadon Izumi: not just simple flipping

[2012/02/05 14:04] Nebadon Izumi: the ones in SL even do sculpty

[2012/02/05 14:04] Void Pipe: right

[2012/02/05 14:04] Nebadon Izumi: the good ones

[2012/02/05 14:04] Allen Kerensky: have you asked the writer of the freebie SL one you like for a perms copy?

[2012/02/05 14:04] Richardus Raymaker: with what you transfer between sl and here this days nebadon ?

[2012/02/05 14:04] Saphy Riler: http://www.freeslscripts.gendersquare.org/

[2012/02/05 14:04] Nebadon Izumi: no but the one i have is aincent

[2012/02/05 14:04] Marcus Llewellyn: Sculpts have a mirror property though, don't they?

[2012/02/05 14:04] Saphy Riler: try the one on that page neb

[2012/02/05 14:05] Void Pipe: yes they have

[2012/02/05 14:05] Fu Barr: anybody who's interested in brainstorming abuot some kind of showcase thing for OSgrid - please drop me a line.

[2012/02/05 14:05] Saphy Riler: his scripts have been very good

[2012/02/05 14:05] Allen Kerensky: OSgrid Marketplace?

[2012/02/05 14:05] Nebadon Izumi: not that kind of Mirror Saphy

[2012/02/05 14:05] Saphy Riler: OOOOOOO

[2012/02/05 14:05] Nebadon Izumi: thats not right kind of mirror

[2012/02/05 14:05] Saphy Riler: *shuts up*

[2012/02/05 14:05] Nebadon Izumi: i did see that last night

[2012/02/05 14:05] Nebadon Izumi: when looking

[2012/02/05 14:05] Allen Kerensky: instead of cash - do things by reputation?

[2012/02/05 14:05] Void Pipe: Saphy... ;o)

[2012/02/05 14:06] Nebadon Izumi: i found one on the SL forums

[2012/02/05 14:06] Nebadon Izumi: but it doesnt do toturted prims

[2012/02/05 14:06] Nebadon Izumi: and i couldnt make it do anything actually

[2012/02/05 14:06] MacZ Dolo: k, anything else going on?

[2012/02/05 14:07] Nebadon Izumi: hmm I think i covered everything i wanted to talk about

[2012/02/05 14:07] Richardus Raymaker: well. idid what i wanted.

[2012/02/05 14:07] Nebadon Izumi: anyone else has anything feel free to bring it up

[2012/02/05 14:07] Han Held: are minutes for this meeting gonna be available?

[2012/02/05 14:07] Han Held: minutes/log/whatever?

[2012/02/05 14:07] Void Pipe: what about a lbsa reamake... lol

[2012/02/05 14:07] Nebadon Izumi: well we post the logs

[2012/02/05 14:08] Allen Kerensky: Myriad Lite Preview 5 is going to land on SL/OSG tonight or next Sunday

[2012/02/05 14:08] Nebadon Izumi: ya Key will post the log I think?

[2012/02/05 14:08] Nebadon Izumi: Key?

[2012/02/05 14:08] Marcus Llewellyn: He's asleep. Get ou the pointy sticks.

[2012/02/05 14:08] Shez Oyen: Myriad Lite?

[2012/02/05 14:08] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[2012/02/05 14:08] Key Gruin: yes I will post hte logs

[2012/02/05 14:08] Oddball Otoole: yeah! I'm trying to set up a myriad quest as we speak!

[2012/02/05 14:08] Nebadon Izumi: ok thanks Key

[2012/02/05 14:08] Saphy Riler: has anyone got any further on a way to keep the osNPCs to stick around after a startup?.....just curious

[2012/02/05 14:08] Key Gruin: on the osgrid wiki

[2012/02/05 14:08] Han Held: What's a Myriad Lite?

[2012/02/05 14:08] Marcus Llewellyn: I have a script sample for that on the opensim wiki, Saphy.

[2012/02/05 14:08] Allen Kerensky: Myriad Lite is a combat and roleplay HUD, attachments, and Region bits to do roleplay quests, gun-fu, fist fights, etc

[2012/02/05 14:08] Marcus Llewellyn: Lemme find it.

[2012/02/05 14:09] Saphy Riler: OOOOO I saw it, perhaps its my noob scripting but it did not seem to work for me

[2012/02/05 14:09] Fu Barr is not going to spam about his scripting classes...

[2012/02/05 14:09] Oddball Otoole: Allen: could you lemme know when the preview goes live?

[2012/02/05 14:09] Saphy Riler: or perhaps the way Im bringing them up, something to look at again thanks Marcus

[2012/02/05 14:09] Allen Kerensky: the thing about Myriad Lite is that its developed in OSG and backported to SL after

[2012/02/05 14:09] Saphy Riler: OOOOO can I please come Fu?

[2012/02/05 14:10] Richardus Raymaker: thats the best way...

[2012/02/05 14:10] Marcus Llewellyn: Well, all you really need to do is make sure you store last UUID of your NPC somewhere persistant. I use the object description in the sample, but could as easily be a notecard or something.

[2012/02/05 14:10] Han Held: When is your class, Fu? And where?

[2012/02/05 14:10] Nebadon Izumi: if you want to talk about your class Fu Barr please do

[2012/02/05 14:10] Fu Barr sighs

[2012/02/05 14:10] Allen Kerensky: RiRa actually - its not the best way - OSG is more generous on script memory

[2012/02/05 14:10] Key Gruin: it was today

[2012/02/05 14:10] Saphy Riler: ahhhhh...yes, I had those in there Marcus, perhaps I am not doing it right will try again

[2012/02/05 14:10] Han Held: 'was'. ack. bummer :/

[2012/02/05 14:10] Fu Barr: Sundays. 18:00 GMT+0 10am PST on Aestas

[2012/02/05 14:10] Richardus Raymaker: well, if people make scipts in sl and bring it here its harder to fix

[2012/02/05 14:10] Fu Barr: every week

[2012/02/05 14:10] Void Pipe: goodnight all...

[2012/02/05 14:10] Marcus Llewellyn: When you restart, you just retrieve the UUID from wherever ytou stored it, and put it in llKey2Name. If you get a blank result, you can assume the NPC isn't rezzed, and reinstantiate it.

[2012/02/05 14:10] Saphy Riler: OOO thanks Fu...made a note

[2012/02/05 14:10] Richardus Raymaker: bye void

[2012/02/05 14:10] Gemini Unplugged: BTW I am downloading the software but

[2012/02/05 14:11] Allen Kerensky: nod Marcus

[2012/02/05 14:11] Oddball Otoole: Neb: Maybe a sort of events thing on the website, like the SL events?

[2012/02/05 14:11] Fu Barr: posterboard with notecard giver to be found on Lbsa

[2012/02/05 14:11] Gemini Unplugged: who was it who said something about the license?

[2012/02/05 14:11] Gemini Unplugged: what is it that we cannot use on OSgrid?

[2012/02/05 14:11] Nebadon Izumi: maybe Oddball

[2012/02/05 14:11] Fu Barr: or join The Four Seasons Academy group.

[2012/02/05 14:11] Nebadon Izumi: it might be good to coordinate it all through twitter

[2012/02/05 14:11] Richardus Raymaker: gemini you cannot use the examples or otehr things daz made.

[2012/02/05 14:11] dan banner has entered chat range (17.8m)

[2012/02/05 14:11] Marcus Llewellyn: You cannot use the models included in Daz3D in OpenSim or SL.

[2012/02/05 14:11] Shez Oyen: Hiya Dandan :)

[2012/02/05 14:11] Nebadon Izumi: this way once i get the twitter feed on splash screen

[2012/02/05 14:11] Richardus Raymaker: you can offcorse use your own creations and textures etc.

[2012/02/05 14:11] Key Gruin: Neb if there was a way for me to put the news on the website front page

[2012/02/05 14:11] Nebadon Izumi: i can just retweet peoplees announcements

[2012/02/05 14:12] Timber Wolfe: Marcus Llewellyn: Also folks, it's worth mentioned the licences for Daz and stuff. The models they include can NOT be used in world without violating the license.

[2012/02/05 14:12] Nebadon Izumi: not easily Key

[2012/02/05 14:12] Key Gruin: like an iframe

[2012/02/05 14:12] Nebadon Izumi: ive been contemplating twitter feed on the main website too

[2012/02/05 14:12] dan banner: hi shez

[2012/02/05 14:12] Nebadon Izumi: so maybe whatever I come up wiht i can use on the website too

[2012/02/05 14:12] Richardus Raymaker: Key, if you can do that. you can use the same page then in the loginscreen

[2012/02/05 14:12] Saphy Riler: TY Fu...Ill be there

[2012/02/05 14:12] Han Held: That would be good for updates

[2012/02/05 14:12] Marcus Llewellyn: YOu wouldn't want to use most of their stuf fin world anyway, honestly. Not without some serious decimation. They're really high poly.

[2012/02/05 14:12] Gemini Unplugged: thanks Timber

[2012/02/05 14:13] Nebadon Izumi: we could probably even come up wiht some LSL to read the twitter feed

[2012/02/05 14:13] Gemini Unplugged: oh their stuff ok

[2012/02/05 14:13] Timber Wolfe: yw

[2012/02/05 14:13] Nebadon Izumi: then we could also have boards on the plazas

[2012/02/05 14:13] Oddball Otoole: the viewer uses those little icons for events on the map..

[2012/02/05 14:13] Nebadon Izumi: that read the twitter feed

[2012/02/05 14:13] Key Gruin: cool idea Neb

[2012/02/05 14:13] Richardus Raymaker: ot only on plaza's i think

[2012/02/05 14:13] Richardus Raymaker: hehe

[2012/02/05 14:13] Oddball Otoole: yeah good Idea Neb.

[2012/02/05 14:13] Nebadon Izumi: I have seen LSL to read twitter before I think

[2012/02/05 14:13] Han Held: OH I have something I want to ask right quick...

[2012/02/05 14:13] Allen Kerensky: or use XMPPHP to stream to XMPP accounts like Jabber and GTalk

[2012/02/05 14:13] Nebadon Izumi: even if we just make some widget page

[2012/02/05 14:13] pickle flagon: why dont we just be like the chinese and rename things and when asked why we infringe copyright just say thats nothing like the original product haha

[2012/02/05 14:14] Nebadon Izumi: and use DynamicTexture load

[2012/02/05 14:14] Fu Barr thinks he should get on with finishing his OSgrid -> twitter bridge.

[2012/02/05 14:14] Nebadon Izumi: to take a screenshot of the feed every so often

[2012/02/05 14:14] Nebadon Izumi: that would be great Fu Barr

[2012/02/05 14:14] Nebadon Izumi: I don't have anything handy, id have to do some digging

[2012/02/05 14:14] Fu Barr: yeah - i had one working with emailing picutes.. to tiwtter too.

[2012/02/05 14:14] Fu Barr: snapshots form inworld

[2012/02/05 14:14] Saphy Riler: nice

[2012/02/05 14:14] Fu Barr: but it's very cludgy

[2012/02/05 14:15] Han Held: If you have dead sims (sims listed on your profile, but that you've long since lost), what's the right way to get them de-listed so the names are free again? ALSO is there going to be another purge of inactive sims? When I joined the theory was that if a sim was gone for 24 hours it would be taken off the map (or so I t hought)

[2012/02/05 14:15] Nebadon Izumi: Han Held, just wait for the region cleaner

[2012/02/05 14:15] Key Gruin: there is a new region cleaner

[2012/02/05 14:15] Arielle Popstar has entered chat range (3.0m)

[2012/02/05 14:15] Nebadon Izumi: in 2 weeks from today i'll be doing a major cleanup

[2012/02/05 14:15] Jalen Optera: ouch Ari

[2012/02/05 14:15] Oddball Otoole: I would be more then happy to put an event-twitter-thing on my guitar museum

[2012/02/05 14:15] Han Held: Awsome, thanks

[2012/02/05 14:16] Fu Barr: real issue is that my old script is plain http auth. twitter is now all fancy with OAuth - it's a pain for 'stuff to just work'.

[2012/02/05 14:16] Nebadon Izumi: ya I am sure lots of people would Oddball

[2012/02/05 14:16] Richardus Raymaker: well. i think i have place for a event board to

[2012/02/05 14:16] Fu Barr: whatever - if i get bored of building - i'll give it another looksey

[2012/02/05 14:16] Nebadon Izumi: I just hate reinventing good tools

[2012/02/05 14:16] Nebadon Izumi: twitter would simplify it a lot

[2012/02/05 14:16] Richardus Raymaker: use the time for finding bugs :))

[2012/02/05 14:16] Nebadon Izumi: having to reinvent twitter like functions on our website would really distract from working on the grid

[2012/02/05 14:16] Oddball Otoole: MOAP?

[2012/02/05 14:16] Allen Kerensky: LSL wiki has an OAUTH example

[2012/02/05 14:16] Richardus Raymaker: moap still bad supported

[2012/02/05 14:17] Allen Kerensky: MOAP = Media On A Prim

[2012/02/05 14:17] Key Gruin: wish I could just use MOAP for the lbsa events boards

[2012/02/05 14:17] Nebadon Izumi: Key we might be able to

[2012/02/05 14:17] Nebadon Izumi: not moap

[2012/02/05 14:17] Richardus Raymaker: map would give many options

[2012/02/05 14:17] Han Held: Does opensim support MOAP? Or does MOAP even touch the server?

[2012/02/05 14:17] Nebadon Izumi: but the media URL

[2012/02/05 14:17] Key Gruin: would make it so much easier

[2012/02/05 14:17] Nebadon Izumi: or even Dynamic texture board

[2012/02/05 14:17] Fu Barr: @Allen - thanks for the pointer.

[2012/02/05 14:17] Nebadon Izumi: I can probably work something out Key

[2012/02/05 14:17] Nebadon Izumi: that would even work on old viewers like Hippo

[2012/02/05 14:17] Marcus Llewellyn: It's a shame we can't use MOAP more. We're still waiting on viewers that support it to reach ubiquity.

[2012/02/05 14:17] Key Gruin: it's a viewer thing Han

[2012/02/05 14:17] Han Held: That's what I thought; well if Kokua ever comes out.... >.>

[2012/02/05 14:18] Marcus Llewellyn: Imp has MOAP, but it's quirky.

[2012/02/05 14:18] Gemini Unplugged: ooh I wish we'd get MOAP soon :-)

[2012/02/05 14:18] Key Gruin: so many are still using IMP

[2012/02/05 14:18] Richardus Raymaker: not sure if singularity have

[2012/02/05 14:18] Gemini Unplugged: oh I didn't know .. I have to try it

[2012/02/05 14:18] Han Held: Or coolviewer...they supposedly use a 2.x or 3.x engine...

[2012/02/05 14:18] Key Gruin: Imp still has over 50% of usage

[2012/02/05 14:19] Shez Oyen: I'm on Imp now..

[2012/02/05 14:19] Oddball Otoole: really?

[2012/02/05 14:19] Allen Kerensky: CoolViewer does use a 3.x engine

[2012/02/05 14:19] Marcus Llewellyn: Does OSGrid do things like compile viewer stats?

[2012/02/05 14:19] Richardus Raymaker: sl3 not read for daily use

[2012/02/05 14:19] Allen Kerensky: but Cool does not MOAP yet

[2012/02/05 14:19] Shez Oyen: Mac's don't have a lot of choice :/

[2012/02/05 14:19] Key Gruin: stats are available Marcus

[2012/02/05 14:19] Oddball Otoole: does imp have mesh support?

[2012/02/05 14:19] Richardus Raymaker: no

[2012/02/05 14:19] Marcus Llewellyn: Yes, but you paid good money to not have those choices. >:)

[2012/02/05 14:19] Key Gruin: but not really organized

[2012/02/05 14:19] Shez Oyen: lol Marcus

[2012/02/05 14:19] Han Held: Heh, I'm on Lion; Firestorm works in osgrid; I cannot log into SL with it, however

[2012/02/05 14:19] Nebadon Izumi: compile viewer stats?

[2012/02/05 14:19] dan banner: well with imprudence still the recommended viewer i dont think moap is the way to do it

[2012/02/05 14:20] Marcus Llewellyn: Yeah :(

[2012/02/05 14:20] Nebadon Izumi: you mean how many people are using what viewers?

[2012/02/05 14:20] Richardus Raymaker: maby next year. depedns how fast sl3 viewer are getting betetr

[2012/02/05 14:20] dan banner: imp is still the most used viewer here

[2012/02/05 14:20] Richardus Raymaker: most still use some sl1 based viewer

[2012/02/05 14:21] Oddball Otoole: I'm using mostly the dev viewer from SL, and firestorm (the flickr link)

[2012/02/05 14:21] Fu Barr: well kokua devs think 3.2 codebase is best so far... so recon we'll be seeing it at some point. Just hpp ythat 64bit linux is a top tier platform for them

[2012/02/05 14:21] Nebadon Izumi: i can compile up some viewer stats

[2012/02/05 14:21] Nebadon Izumi: we don't have anything automated at the moment

[2012/02/05 14:21] Shez Oyen: Firestorm works ok here for me.. I like Imp better

[2012/02/05 14:21] Gemini Unplugged: I would love to use a V3 tpe of viewer but Firestorm keep me a cloud here

[2012/02/05 14:21] Han Held: I wanna through somethin out there...Imp is aging pretty badly; at some point do you guys wanna consider replacing the recommendation for that to something else?

[2012/02/05 14:21] Gemini Unplugged: and

[2012/02/05 14:21] Nebadon Izumi: we do have lots of tables of data though

[2012/02/05 14:21] Marcus Llewellyn: I really wanted to to the timer on the SPeedbuild board with MOAP, using HTML. But I had to fall back on ZZ text cuz that's the only method that everyone would see.

[2012/02/05 14:21] Richardus Raymaker: i have now 6 viewerrs installed or so, and really 2-2 are useable

[2012/02/05 14:21] Gemini Unplugged: LM don't work

[2012/02/05 14:21] Han Held: even if that "something else" is Kokua (when it's released)?

[2012/02/05 14:21] Gemini Unplugged: it keeps pointing at places in SL

[2012/02/05 14:21] Nebadon Izumi: Marcus couldnt you do something with Dynamic Textures?

[2012/02/05 14:22] Nebadon Izumi: you should even be able to control the fonts

[2012/02/05 14:22] Nebadon Izumi: the texture draw stuff is pretty cool

[2012/02/05 14:22] Marcus Llewellyn: I do use dynamic textures on the entire rest of the board. But the timer needs to be updated once a second, and dynamic textures are too slow.

[2012/02/05 14:22] Richardus Raymaker: han, we dont know

[2012/02/05 14:22] Nebadon Izumi: hmm ya

[2012/02/05 14:22] Fu Barr has used dyntextures a lot, but the refreshing still is painful

[2012/02/05 14:22] Marcus Llewellyn: Speed was the issue there.

[2012/02/05 14:22] Nebadon Izumi: makes sense

[2012/02/05 14:22] Marcus Llewellyn: MOAP would have been very fast, even faster than the ZZText it uses now.

[2012/02/05 14:22] Nebadon Izumi: what about hover text?

[2012/02/05 14:22] Richardus Raymaker: eeeuww

[2012/02/05 14:22] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[2012/02/05 14:23] Fu Barr: UGLIIII

[2012/02/05 14:23] Nebadon Izumi: its fast and reliable though

[2012/02/05 14:23] Nebadon Izumi: and low impact

[2012/02/05 14:23] Gemini Unplugged: lol

[2012/02/05 14:23] Richardus Raymaker: reliable. if you could fix it in size and direction.

[2012/02/05 14:23] Key Gruin: OK at this moment there are 82 Imp users out of 164

[2012/02/05 14:23] Marcus Llewellyn: Yeah, that's the thing. It wasn't my first choice, but was the choice that fit.

[2012/02/05 14:23] Richardus Raymaker: floating text only nice on huds

[2012/02/05 14:23] Fu Barr wonders if that statistic is a direct fn of it being the recommended viewer...

[2012/02/05 14:23] Key Gruin: plus there are another dozen Hippo 0.6.x users

[2012/02/05 14:24] Marcus Llewellyn: Yeah, and the speedbuild needs to be visible froma pretty large distance. Hovertext doesn't work there.

[2012/02/05 14:24] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[2012/02/05 14:24] Han Held: That would be my thought, Fu; which is why I recommended considering a change of what viewer is recommended

[2012/02/05 14:24] Fu Barr: yeah - i just hate everything new. so i;m bound to loath the new viewers.

[2012/02/05 14:24] Richardus Raymaker: Han, the change comes. when the time is ready for it

[2012/02/05 14:24] Nebadon Izumi: I can however tell you

[2012/02/05 14:24] Gemini Unplugged: lol

[2012/02/05 14:24] Marcus Llewellyn: When MOAP is viewable by the majority, an upgrade to the speedbuild board will be trivial.

[2012/02/05 14:24] Key Gruin: there isn't yet a viewer ready to recomment

[2012/02/05 14:24] Nebadon Izumi: when i am doing the speedbuild, i never look at the board

[2012/02/05 14:25] dan banner: han: theres nothing that works for profiles, search, etc and has a grid list with osgrid

[2012/02/05 14:25] Han Held: @Rechardus, I know; I was just responding to Fu's comment above.

[2012/02/05 14:25] Nebadon Izumi: only time i look is to sign up to play

[2012/02/05 14:25] Nebadon Izumi: and then to get the topic

[2012/02/05 14:25] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[2012/02/05 14:25] Saphy Riler: imp makes me a cloud to others, so I use phoenix when around other people

[2012/02/05 14:25] Richardus Raymaker: how can yopu look at the board when you build ?

[2012/02/05 14:25] Gemini Unplugged: I'd switch to V3 type immediately if one of them works properly here

[2012/02/05 14:25] Marcus Llewellyn: I look at it every once in a while for the timer.

[2012/02/05 14:25] Richardus Raymaker: btw maby some singal when it end would be usefull to

[2012/02/05 14:25] Marcus Llewellyn: Though it does give occasional warnings about the time in chat.

[2012/02/05 14:25] Richardus Raymaker: some sound ?

[2012/02/05 14:25] Key Gruin: Zen works quite well

[2012/02/05 14:25] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[2012/02/05 14:25] Han Held: @Dan I think Coolviewer has all of those things, AND it is mesh-capable

[2012/02/05 14:25] Fu Barr: i'd switch to a v3 viewer immediately if it looked exactly the same as my v1 viewer...

[2012/02/05 14:25] Richardus Raymaker: btw, does soundprebuffer work already ?

[2012/02/05 14:26] Key Gruin: so far Zen has been the best option for a v3

[2012/02/05 14:26] Richardus Raymaker: chat ? no time to read that when you build

[2012/02/05 14:26] Jalen Optera: coolvl crashes on me and also doesn't always render mesh properly even in sl

[2012/02/05 14:26] Marcus Llewellyn: I think I remember jcc saying sound buffering doesn't work. But I could be super mistakeb.

[2012/02/05 14:26] Fu Barr: Zen? 64bit Linux?

[2012/02/05 14:26] Key Gruin: oh

[2012/02/05 14:26] Key Gruin: don't think it's available in Linux

[2012/02/05 14:26] Richardus Raymaker: no zen is only windows. and still have not the alpha fix

[2012/02/05 14:26] Fu Barr: sigh.

[2012/02/05 14:26] Key Gruin: yeah bummer

[2012/02/05 14:26] dan banner: thats another thing, a recommended viewer needs to be multi-OS

[2012/02/05 14:26] Fu Barr: well at least i;m off the hippo.... *chuckle*

[2012/02/05 14:27] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[2012/02/05 14:27] Key Gruin: and it needs the grid chooser

[2012/02/05 14:27] Marcus Llewellyn: Hippo is now a historical curiosity. Hehe. Like Nicholaz.

[2012/02/05 14:27] Key Gruin: grid manager

[2012/02/05 14:27] Richardus Raymaker: sngularity is doing its job fine here

[2012/02/05 14:27] Key Gruin: with osgrid on the list

[2012/02/05 14:27] Fu Barr: awww good days... Nicholaz :)

[2012/02/05 14:27] Han Held: you can't get sinularity for macos

[2012/02/05 14:27] Nebadon Izumi: heh

[2012/02/05 14:27] Oddball Otoole: I like firestorm. hduno if it haz a grid manager

[2012/02/05 14:27] Nebadon Izumi: it does

[2012/02/05 14:27] Marcus Llewellyn: It does, but it's off by default

[2012/02/05 14:27] Key Gruin: hehe there are two Hoppo 5 users on right now

[2012/02/05 14:27] Nebadon Izumi: but its disabled by default

[2012/02/05 14:28] Han Held: Firestorm has osgrid in it's grid manager; BUT profiles are borked on it

[2012/02/05 14:28] Key Gruin: Hippo

[2012/02/05 14:28] Marcus Llewellyn: And you really gotta dig down to find it and enable it.

[2012/02/05 14:28] Nebadon Izumi: which keeps it from making the OSgrid downloads page list

[2012/02/05 14:28] Richardus Raymaker: firestorm, waiting for text butons

[2012/02/05 14:28] Fu Barr: heh - wonders if they have simmer frames too...

[2012/02/05 14:28] Fu Barr: zimmer

[2012/02/05 14:28] dan banner: firestorm is a mess for a noob to get pointed to osgrid

[2012/02/05 14:28] Marcus Llewellyn: +1

[2012/02/05 14:28] Shez Oyen: I asked Ed about having grid manager to default on in Firestorm.. he told me to file a JIRA.. pffffttt

[2012/02/05 14:28] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[2012/02/05 14:28] Nebadon Izumi: thats a fair request

[2012/02/05 14:28] Nebadon Izumi: Jira is a pain in the ass though

[2012/02/05 14:29] Fu Barr: wo/me wonders if we have arecommendedn viewer - if we can ship it with same OSgrid defaults

[2012/02/05 14:29] Richardus Raymaker: the are pretty how do you say hard with listen to changes

[2012/02/05 14:29] Fu Barr: sane

[2012/02/05 14:29] Nebadon Izumi: thats probably going to be a tall order

[2012/02/05 14:29] Nebadon Izumi: we might get lucky with Kokua

[2012/02/05 14:29] Han Held: I was pretty floored when they included a grid-manager AT ALL; they're seriously SL-centric

[2012/02/05 14:29] Shez Oyen: They have gotten more open minded Han

[2012/02/05 14:29] Fu Barr: 'included' how hard - it' a set of patches...

[2012/02/05 14:29] Shez Oyen: they used to be hideous about it

[2012/02/05 14:30] Marcus Llewellyn: I'm hoping Kokua team will make first release as simple as possible, so it's as quick to be releases as possible. Brand it, put in the grid manager, and make only small, easy changes for 1.0. Then go up from there.

[2012/02/05 14:30] Fu Barr: yeah - and we know them pretty well - so i recon we could actually pull that off

[2012/02/05 14:30] Fu Barr: \

[2012/02/05 14:30] Fu Barr: also i have macs all over - but not really the time to be a build manager for os x :(

[2012/02/05 14:31] Nebadon Izumi: building the viewer sucks

[2012/02/05 14:31] Fu Barr: I use linux for OSG/SL and a mac for RL.

[2012/02/05 14:31] Marcus Llewellyn: They can't possible put in every whistle and bell everyone wants and get a release done any time soon.

[2012/02/05 14:31] Richardus Raymaker: i readed once the page. pressed quick the [x]

[2012/02/05 14:31] Han Held: I was gonna try to learn building viewers; but I'm having DNS problems I can't track down...which prevents me from getting the 3rd party libs :/

[2012/02/05 14:31] Nebadon Izumi: I think i could build an engine for my car easier than I could build the viewer

[2012/02/05 14:31] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[2012/02/05 14:31] Fu Barr: yeah - tried it with singularity on my linux box - soooo convoluted, then i got gcc to giv me a full on compiler crash

[2012/02/05 14:31] Key Gruin: lol

[2012/02/05 14:31] Fu Barr: not good.

[2012/02/05 14:32] Key Gruin: needs some incentive behind that project

[2012/02/05 14:32] Oddball Otoole: is kokua gonna use the new SL v3 UI?

[2012/02/05 14:32] Fu Barr: on the up side the Singularity IRC crowd did try to be helpful

[2012/02/05 14:32] Gemini Unplugged: well this has been a very intersting and informative first meeting for me ㋡

[2012/02/05 14:32] Richardus Raymaker: sofar i know the sl3.2 engine

[2012/02/05 14:32] Gemini Unplugged: I have to go it's way past my bead time :-)

[2012/02/05 14:32] Gemini Unplugged: have a great afternoon/ day al

[2012/02/05 14:32] Richardus Raymaker: goodnight gemini

[2012/02/05 14:32] Nebadon Izumi: kk see you Gemini, thanks for coming

[2012/02/05 14:32] Gemini Unplugged: all*

[2012/02/05 14:32] Shez Oyen: nite Gemini :) Sweet dreams

[2012/02/05 14:33] Oddball Otoole: nite nite Gemini, be safe!

[2012/02/05 14:33] Key Gruin: bye Gemini

[2012/02/05 14:33] Jeeper Shim: nite gemini

[2012/02/05 14:33] Gemini Unplugged: byeee:-)

[2012/02/05 14:33] Fu Barr crosses himself and says hail marys and does stuff with garlic at the mention of a non v1 UI

[2012/02/05 14:33] gimisa cerise: wav Gem

[2012/02/05 14:33] Oddball Otoole: I personally love the V3 UI

[2012/02/05 14:33] Nebadon Izumi: nice

[2012/02/05 14:33] Nebadon Izumi: https://twitter.com/about/resources/widgets/widget_profile

[2012/02/05 14:33] Marcus Llewellyn: Leter Gemin :)

[2012/02/05 14:33] Nebadon Izumi: twitter has awesome widgets they offer

[2012/02/05 14:33] Fu Barr: nini Gemini

[2012/02/05 14:33] Richardus Raymaker: the V32. ui is nice. when the widnows stick on there place after relog

[2012/02/05 14:34] Key Gruin: viewer compilation needs monetary incentive behind it really

[2012/02/05 14:34] Marcus Llewellyn: I the the latest V3.2 stuff is nice. Still a few niggling complaints, but they're really picky stuff.

[2012/02/05 14:34] Han Held: <<loves firestorm; wishes I could log in to SL with it :3

[2012/02/05 14:34] Nebadon Izumi: that was easy hehe

[2012/02/05 14:34] Fu Barr: @key - no it doesn;t it needs a sane build system

[2012/02/05 14:34] Richardus Raymaker: nebadon, do you want a 2e tweet for the login page. so it dont get flooded with not important things ?

[2012/02/05 14:35] Shez Oyen: Han have you tried the Firestorm/Phoenix group on SL.. they are high traffic but can be helpful

[2012/02/05 14:35] Baewyn Celara has entered chat range (2.9m)

[2012/02/05 14:36] Oddball Otoole: bea

[2012/02/05 14:36] Oddball Otoole: *:::* WELCOME BACK *:::*

[2012/02/05 14:36] Jalen Optera: hi Bae

[2012/02/05 14:36] Richardus Raymaker: hi bae

[2012/02/05 14:36] Baewyn Celara: Hi Forgot about the townhall

[2012/02/05 14:36] Shez Oyen: yer only an hour and a hlf late!

[2012/02/05 14:36] Oddball Otoole: lol, its more a town-skyscraper:)

[2012/02/05 14:36] Han Held: @Shez; I haven't tried them. I have a premium account and tried filing a ticket since the main problem is 3.x viewers do something odd on login to SL. LL wasn't helpful and after posting a thread on SLU I found it I'm probably having a weird DNS glitch I have no idea how to chase down :/

[2012/02/05 14:36] Marcus Llewellyn: Last person to arrive buys everyone coffee.

[2012/02/05 14:36] Fu Barr thinks there's still some canape's eft... but only the veggie ones..

[2012/02/05 14:37] Baewyn Celara drops OS$10000

[2012/02/05 14:37] Jalen Optera: and pizza

[2012/02/05 14:37] Oddball Otoole: and cheapo wine

[2012/02/05 14:37] Marcus Llewellyn: And a pony.

[2012/02/05 14:37] Baewyn Celara: go to Recreation Plaza for the next speedbuild

[2012/02/05 14:37] Saphy Riler: *grins as she rises and stretches* superbowl on in a hour thanks folks for the invite, I appriciate all your hard work...*winks to Neb* you guys have a stressfree night....GO Giants

[2012/02/05 14:37] Jalen Optera pokes bae, just because

[2012/02/05 14:37] Marcus Llewellyn: Is speedbuild today?

[2012/02/05 14:37] Richardus Raymaker: it woukld be funny if you can give others O$ :)

[2012/02/05 14:37] Richardus Raymaker: especially noobs. lol

[2012/02/05 14:37] Fu Barr: i though speedbuild was thursday?

[2012/02/05 14:38] Shez Oyen: Yer mean

[2012/02/05 14:38] Jeeper Shim: lol richardus

[2012/02/05 14:38] Marcus Llewellyn: I never know ehen the heck it is. lol

[2012/02/05 14:38] Key Gruin: PrimWords tonight

[2012/02/05 14:38] Han Held: <<thot it was yestreday o.o

[2012/02/05 14:38] Oddball Otoole: egg

[2012/02/05 14:38] Key Gruin: in 3 hrs

[2012/02/05 14:38] Marcus Llewellyn: Ah, cool

[2012/02/05 14:38] Oddball Otoole: submarine

[2012/02/05 14:38] Baewyn Celara: ug I'm messed on the OSG events

[2012/02/05 14:38] Baewyn Celara: I need to write them down on a calendar

[2012/02/05 14:38] Fu Barr: egg!

[2012/02/05 14:38] Fu Barr: Submarine!

[2012/02/05 14:38] Richardus Raymaker: and then forgot to look at the calander

[2012/02/05 14:38] Marcus Llewellyn: I always find out about them when I log in, get the group notices, and see they happened 5 hours ago. :)

[2012/02/05 14:38] Baewyn Celara: group notices don't help if I recieve 20 after the event

[2012/02/05 14:39] Shez Oyen: lol

[2012/02/05 14:39] Shez Oyen: soooo typical

[2012/02/05 14:39] pickle flagon: back to lbsa for me it may shutdown if im not there haha

[2012/02/05 14:39] Oddball Otoole: I truly believe such events should be on the website..with som sort of time-zone translator)

[2012/02/05 14:39] Baewyn Celara: no Calendar app on my android phone... has a very annoying alarm

[2012/02/05 14:39] Richardus Raymaker: thats why i suggested something on login screen

[2012/02/05 14:39] dan banner: so all we need is an osgrid viewer dev team

[2012/02/05 14:39] Han Held: What -would- help is if we could get messages sent to email; but we don't have the serverside stuff required for that?

[2012/02/05 14:39] Jalen Optera: sums it up dan

[2012/02/05 14:39] Shez Oyen: Yes Dan!

[2012/02/05 14:39] Marcus Llewellyn: Sounds get. Get on that, dan. :)

[2012/02/05 14:39] dan banner: lol

[2012/02/05 14:39] Marcus Llewellyn: get == good

[2012/02/05 14:40] Jalen Optera: when I win the lottery...

[2012/02/05 14:40] Han Held: o.o

[2012/02/05 14:40] dan banner: 32 bit windows viewers for everyone

[2012/02/05 14:40] Jalen Optera: hazzah!

[2012/02/05 14:40] Han Held: You're sitting on Allen, Pickle o.o

[2012/02/05 14:40] Oddball Otoole: I volunteer for testing a osg viewer!

[2012/02/05 14:40] Shez Oyen: I can make outrageous demands and beta test for macs

[2012/02/05 14:40] Oddball Otoole: cabinet

[2012/02/05 14:40] Jalen Optera: oh, can I sit on allen too?

[2012/02/05 14:40] pickle flagon: im hiding haha

[2012/02/05 14:40] Han Held: LOL Pigpile!!!! *giggles*

[2012/02/05 14:41] Fu Barr: Wind!

[2012/02/05 14:41] Key Gruin: Google calendar is pretty good

[2012/02/05 14:41] Baewyn Celara: google calendar = android calendar

[2012/02/05 14:41] Baewyn Celara: at least if you sync the accounts

[2012/02/05 14:41] Richardus Raymaker: shame noby have macs under the dust..

[2012/02/05 14:42] Key Gruin: I gotta go afk

[2012/02/05 14:42] Richardus Raymaker: dont want a goofle calander. google links to mcuh things

[2012/02/05 14:42] Key Gruin: staying here to catch the log

[2012/02/05 14:42] Baewyn Celara: meh stay key throw away the keyboard

[2012/02/05 14:42] Richardus Raymaker: lol goofle.. uhmm mena google

[2012/02/05 14:42] Marcus Llewellyn: People with macs is easy. Developers on macs are a bit rarer.

[2012/02/05 14:42] Jalen Optera: rare like the Yeti marcus

[2012/02/05 14:42] Shez Oyen: truth Marcus

[2012/02/05 14:43] Richardus Raymaker: macs are expensive. buta free one on the desk would be nice to play with.

[2012/02/05 14:43] Baewyn Celara: so mac devs are a myth? how do they get software?

[2012/02/05 14:43] Nebadon Izumi: check it out

[2012/02/05 14:43] Han Held: we port it over from linux using macports xp

[2012/02/05 14:43] Nebadon Izumi: http://osgrid.org

[2012/02/05 14:43] Key Gruin: $$$

[2012/02/05 14:43] Baewyn Celara: looool

[2012/02/05 14:43] Nebadon Izumi: i am going to adjust the Lbsa Screenshot a bit

[2012/02/05 14:43] Nebadon Izumi: but take a look

[2012/02/05 14:43] Marcus Llewellyn: Nah, there's plenty of devs. For the iPad and iPhone. ;)

[2012/02/05 14:43] Vivian Klees: yay!

[2012/02/05 14:43] Shez Oyen: very good Neb!

[2012/02/05 14:44] dan banner: wouldnt that be better on the splash screen?

[2012/02/05 14:44] Key Gruin: looks good neb

[2012/02/05 14:44] Marcus Llewellyn: AH! My eyes!

[2012/02/05 14:44] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[2012/02/05 14:44] Jalen Optera: aw, can we all be there smiling and waving an animing our hearts out?

[2012/02/05 14:44] Marcus Llewellyn: j/k :)

[2012/02/05 14:44] Baewyn Celara: oooh twitiot feed

[2012/02/05 14:44] Nebadon Izumi: its going to go on splash too

[2012/02/05 14:44] Key Gruin: can it fill the full height?

[2012/02/05 14:44] dan banner: oh nice

[2012/02/05 14:44] Nebadon Izumi: but im going to completely redesign the splash

[2012/02/05 14:44] dan banner: ya it looks good

[2012/02/05 14:44] Nebadon Izumi: so i started on website 1st

[2012/02/05 14:44] Shez Oyen: Linda said "is not" I bet is meant "is now"

[2012/02/05 14:44] Jeeper Shim: looks good

[2012/02/05 14:44] Nebadon Izumi: ya i can make it fill better 1 sec

[2012/02/05 14:44] Fu Barr: loks fine to me.

[2012/02/05 14:44] Richardus Raymaker: it jumps from left to right to left nebaodn

[2012/02/05 14:45] Marcus Llewellyn: We better take her at her word. Her region deinitely is NOT Airy Bay. Remember that.

[2012/02/05 14:45] Richardus Raymaker: but anice twitter screen

[2012/02/05 14:45] dan banner: stays on the left for me

[2012/02/05 14:45] Richardus Raymaker: refresh dan

[2012/02/05 14:45] Jalen Optera: yeah, linda is so intimidating Marcus

[2012/02/05 14:45] Baewyn Celara: hmmm can you register an avatar name on twitter.

[2012/02/05 14:45] Oddball Otoole: I did:)

[2012/02/05 14:45] Jalen Optera: it let me register mine

[2012/02/05 14:46] Han Held: @Baewyn Yes, and lots of us have

[2012/02/05 14:46] Oddball Otoole: even on G+

[2012/02/05 14:46] dan banner: ya odd refresh makes it go on the right

[2012/02/05 14:46] Baewyn Celara: oh sweet just noticed Akira's so yep

[2012/02/05 14:46] Han Held: There's TONS of SL/opensim ppl on twitter and on plurk

[2012/02/05 14:46] Shez Oyen: ok.. I might finally sign up then

[2012/02/05 14:46] Marcus Llewellyn: She really is. She's nice at people until they break down and comply. Malicious.

[2012/02/05 14:46] Han Held: facebook and g+ will ban you if you don't use your real name, tho

[2012/02/05 14:46] Key Gruin: hmm its a tad wider than my tiny screen

[2012/02/05 14:46] Baewyn Celara: isn't g+ just google accounts?

[2012/02/05 14:46] Allen Kerensky: facebook will - G+ is confused whether they will or not now

[2012/02/05 14:46] Jalen Optera: hmm, real name, do I have one...unclear on that point

[2012/02/05 14:47] Shez Oyen: I have so many real names

[2012/02/05 14:47] dan banner: ya g+ just bans company names right now

[2012/02/05 14:47] Richardus Raymaker: hmm, i have my name on faebook. or months deactivated. but it looks like a real name to.

[2012/02/05 14:47] Han Held: @Baewyn yes, g+ is google accounts; they ca't decide if they'll ban you for using a pseudonym or not tho

[2012/02/05 14:47] Allen Kerensky: i had an avatar facebook for a while - until they started killing people who "Liked" SecondLife

[2012/02/05 14:47] Marcus Llewellyn: They're okay until they decide they're not okay.

[2012/02/05 14:47] Shez Oyen: :/

[2012/02/05 14:47] Richardus Raymaker: offcorse on social sites you never use you real name. to dangerous

[2012/02/05 14:47] Han Held: << has a facebook under Han Held; expects it to vanish at any point.

[2012/02/05 14:47] Allen Kerensky: so - I killed my - Zuckerf***ker can make all his money without me adding the content for him

[2012/02/05 14:47] Baewyn Celara: well that will suck since I signed up to gmail with baewyn.celara@gmail and used that to register here.

[2012/02/05 14:47] Fu Barr: ohhh - Next Big Thing Faebook - the social media for magical folk!!

[2012/02/05 14:48] Jalen Optera: <has a facebook as Jalen, but really might be my real name, I dont remember.

[2012/02/05 14:48] Nebadon Izumi: ok check it again

[2012/02/05 14:48] Nebadon Izumi: i made it better

[2012/02/05 14:48] Key Gruin: lol@Jalen

[2012/02/05 14:48] Richardus Raymaker: not plans to use facebook. but now at least nobody else can misuse the anme

[2012/02/05 14:48] Richardus Raymaker: name

[2012/02/05 14:48] Allen Kerensky: yeah

[2012/02/05 14:48] Marcus Llewellyn: I liked the feed on the left. >:)

[2012/02/05 14:49] Allen Kerensky: Twitter and XMPP are enough communication

[2012/02/05 14:49] Allen Kerensky: and IRC if you wanna rawk out old school style

[2012/02/05 14:49] Richardus Raymaker: marcus, refresh and it jumpos back. its random left or right

[2012/02/05 14:49] dan banner: i just login here and ask in lbsa

[2012/02/05 14:49] Baewyn Celara: I have facebook but I'm wondering if I delete it.... or go back and play AC:Project Legacy again

[2012/02/05 14:49] Richardus Raymaker: right side you see faster then left

[2012/02/05 14:49] Jalen Optera: word allen, rock the text

[2012/02/05 14:49] Marcus Llewellyn: Always on the right now for me, even with a hard refresh

[2012/02/05 14:50] Richardus Raymaker: bea, i almost deleted it. but someone remind me its good to use it so the name is locked

[2012/02/05 14:50] Richardus Raymaker: uhmm keep it, juts deactivate it

[2012/02/05 14:50] Allen Kerensky: avoid facebook and you instantly avoid 25-30% of all advertising on the internet in one go

[2012/02/05 14:50] Nebadon Izumi: plus with the scroll bar

[2012/02/05 14:50] Nebadon Izumi: it sorta makes more sense on the right

[2012/02/05 14:50] Marcus Llewellyn: Doesn't matter... I was being fascetious. Heh

[2012/02/05 14:50] Nebadon Izumi: I made it show last 10 tweets

[2012/02/05 14:50] Richardus Raymaker: Allen, ad-block installed since a while

[2012/02/05 14:50] Fu Barr: i've been avoiding FB now for close to a year - not missing it much.

[2012/02/05 14:50] Nebadon Izumi: let me adjust the background image

[2012/02/05 14:50] Han Held: It was on the left for me;now every time I refresh the page it's on the right

[2012/02/05 14:50] Allen Kerensky: heh yeah - I had NoScript, Ghostery, and Facebook Dislike Button installed

[2012/02/05 14:50] Shez Oyen: Me too Fu Barr

[2012/02/05 14:50] Nebadon Izumi: it will look better once i do that

[2012/02/05 14:51] Fu Barr: I do feel od and grumpy for having done it. Gave up my seat at the Kool Kids table it seems

[2012/02/05 14:51] Allen Kerensky: i couldn't get dislike to automatically click them all by itself - so all the fun was lost

[2012/02/05 14:51] Marcus Llewellyn: Yeah. Replace it with a lolcat.

[2012/02/05 14:51] Richardus Raymaker: fu-barr not really used it. and i dont know what you would do there. not missing anything to

[2012/02/05 14:52] Allen Kerensky: @Fu its all good - your IQ rises as you deactivate your account - you stop pretending your a Mafia Farmer with 10,000 friends

[2012/02/05 14:52] Han Held: I have facebook for RL and SL; I don't really use either one --except to spam news stories to my RL friends :3

[2012/02/05 14:52] Marcus Llewellyn: Facebook always lets me know that stuff happened in email. They don't tell me what, or who did it, but they make it clear that I'm missing out on awesome stuff.

[2012/02/05 14:52] Jalen Optera: I only use it to get free game codes

[2012/02/05 14:52] Mercalia Beck: i find fb too confusing

[2012/02/05 14:52] Richardus Raymaker: 10.000 friends lol. what do you need with that you maby see 5

[2012/02/05 14:52] dan banner: ive never spacebooked

[2012/02/05 14:53] Allen Kerensky: i guess I should worry that I deleted my FB account and not one "family or friend" ever mentioned it...

[2012/02/05 14:53] Han Held: @Mercalia it doesn't help they change the interface every three months!

[2012/02/05 14:53] Richardus Raymaker: i hate it how the terrible commerce push everybody to that ... facebook

[2012/02/05 14:53] Marcus Llewellyn: I find FB too annoying. No I do NOT want to farm with you. I don't want to join your sorority, or send you cheesy 80's gifts.

[2012/02/05 14:53] dan banner: lol allen

[2012/02/05 14:53] Shez Oyen: yep new phones come with all that turned on too :/

[2012/02/05 14:53] Allen Kerensky: @Marcus and stop throwing pies and cupcakes at me and asking if I am related to you

[2012/02/05 14:53] Marcus Llewellyn: Amen

[2012/02/05 14:53] Jalen Optera: mmm cupcakes

[2012/02/05 14:54] Shez Oyen: pie?

[2012/02/05 14:54] Shez Oyen brightens

[2012/02/05 14:54] Marcus Llewellyn: I don't get that crap on G+. G+ has it's faults, but it's less annoyingf than FB.

[2012/02/05 14:54] Richardus Raymaker: Marcus, do i hear southpark ? :))

[2012/02/05 14:54] Allen Kerensky: Facebook - that shallow end of the Internet replacing AOL as the former shallow end

[2012/02/05 14:54] Baewyn Celara: ug right I have that single login via facebook thing

[2012/02/05 14:54] Baewyn Celara: *I hate

[2012/02/05 14:54] Marcus Llewellyn: Punch and pie.

[2012/02/05 14:54] Han Held: I'm on G+; I always get random notifications that so-and-so is following me now

[2012/02/05 14:54] Han Held: I only log on once every couple months o.o

[2012/02/05 14:54] Mercalia Beck: are we going to have a count down timer on lbsa for the Big Purge?

[2012/02/05 14:55] Jalen Optera: yeah, so and so's with names that are random text and a string of numbers

[2012/02/05 14:55] Richardus Raymaker: Han, maby check your settings ?

[2012/02/05 14:55] Shez Oyen: oh dear

[2012/02/05 14:55] Baewyn Celara: Big Purge?

[2012/02/05 14:55] Marcus Llewellyn: I check G+ a couple times a day. But sometimes it might only be once a day. It's so much more relaxed.

[2012/02/05 14:55] Fu Barr shallow end of interwebs... thinks of firing up his old Silicon Graphincs box... those were the days....

[2012/02/05 14:55] Mercalia Beck: the cleanup

[2012/02/05 14:55] Han Held: @Jalen lol that sounds like plurk before I set mine to private :3

[2012/02/05 14:55] Shez Oyen: I just said all my aliases into the microphone.. Key is recording this :/

[2012/02/05 14:55] Baewyn Celara: of?

[2012/02/05 14:55] Allen Kerensky: heh @Fu I have CosmoWorlds on my O2 still running for when I wanna remember what VRML was

[2012/02/05 14:56] Nebadon Izumi: refresh website again

[2012/02/05 14:56] Nebadon Izumi: think i nailed it

[2012/02/05 14:56] Marcus Llewellyn: Yessir

[2012/02/05 14:56] Jalen Optera: the secretary general of the UN, ban ki moon is really persistent in his friend requests

[2012/02/05 14:56] Marcus Llewellyn: yay, pretty neb

[2012/02/05 14:56] dan banner: nice

[2012/02/05 14:56] Richardus Raymaker: nebadon, for wich screen size did you made the webpage ?

[2012/02/05 14:56] Shez Oyen: haha Jalen

[2012/02/05 14:56] Timber Wolfe: looks good

[2012/02/05 14:56] Fu Barr: @Allen - yeah my O2 was destryed in shipping uring my last move... but now have nice Red Fuel... still only OGL1.2 and no multi-texture... so a viewer port is out of the question :(

[2012/02/05 14:56] Nebadon Izumi: 1024 Richardus

[2012/02/05 14:57] dan banner: thats why its a tiny little box on my screen

[2012/02/05 14:57] Nebadon Izumi: its set for 980 width i think

[2012/02/05 14:57] Richardus Raymaker: ok. still best, can people look on there ipad to :)

[2012/02/05 14:57] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[2012/02/05 14:57] Han Held: Ok, I'm goin home and logging, bye everyone

[2012/02/05 14:57] Nebadon Izumi: i use my Netbook

[2012/02/05 14:57] Nebadon Izumi: as the minimum requirement

[2012/02/05 14:57] Baewyn Celara: bye Han

[2012/02/05 14:57] Nebadon Izumi: its 1024x600

[2012/02/05 14:57] Marcus Llewellyn: Once in a while I'm confronted with a 640x480 display, and I think, "How did I every use this? Did an IDE really fit in 640x480?"

[2012/02/05 14:57] Shez Oyen: BB Han

[2012/02/05 14:58] Richardus Raymaker: Marcus. then we used that nice 80x25 dos font

[2012/02/05 14:58] Fu Barr: lol IDE on 640x480 - TubroPascal was the best you could get in them days

[2012/02/05 14:58] dan banner: 320x200

[2012/02/05 14:58] Baewyn Celara: Heh I thought the same thing about 320x200 and 320x240 for gaming.

[2012/02/05 14:58] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[2012/02/05 14:58] Richardus Raymaker: still have pascal. and i think doom plays still best on that resolution on small screen

[2012/02/05 14:59] Marcus Llewellyn: With DOS you could at least go up beyond 80x24 or whwtever.

[2012/02/05 14:59] Richardus Raymaker: and now lots of people are back to 640x?? or 800x?? mobiel

[2012/02/05 14:59] Shez Oyen: kk.. I'm gone too.. nice meeting.. thanks everyone :)

[2012/02/05 14:59] Fu Barr: wow - some of us realy are from the compu-stone ages... :)

[2012/02/05 14:59] Allen Kerensky: @Fu when you get a chance, check out the "Silicon Zoo" at Univ. of Florida - they use a big microscope to find easter eggs etched into CPU dies - the MIPS are full of fun ones

[2012/02/05 14:59] Richardus Raymaker: 132x52 if im right

[2012/02/05 14:59] Baewyn Celara: lool right and on what 3 inch scereens

[2012/02/05 14:59] Baewyn Celara: *screens

[2012/02/05 14:59] Allen Kerensky: screens? Please... paper tape, punch cards, and teletypes

[2012/02/05 14:59] Fu Barr: yeah - i remember thos eimages - MIPS people back in the day and SGI in general used to have a ll the sense of humour.

[2012/02/05 15:00] Jeeper Shim: See ya later. I'm heading home

[2012/02/05 15:00] Marcus Llewellyn: I remember th old Borland DOS IDE. Was pretty nice, although that might be the rosey glow of memory.

[2012/02/05 15:00] Richardus Raymaker: ahh punch cards. have a pile of empty ones from my dad

[2012/02/05 15:00] Fu Barr: hen i did some contract work for SGI in 2001 - i managed to get a few in... but the thought police were out in force.

[2012/02/05 15:00] Richardus Raymaker: Marcus, that IDE is still nice

[2012/02/05 15:00] Baewyn Celara: no compustoneage is when computers took up whole buildings/rooms and barely did 500hz

[2012/02/05 15:00] Oddball Otoole: nite nite jeeper..oh the no fly/fly thing still is an issue for me.

[2012/02/05 15:01] Allen Kerensky: yeah time to head back and try to finish Preview 5 tonight

[2012/02/05 15:01] Allen Kerensky: take care all

[2012/02/05 15:01] Jalen Optera: bye Allen

[2012/02/05 15:01] Richardus Raymaker: Bae, you just blow a tube.. error on line 10. :)

[2012/02/05 15:01] Baewyn Celara: bye Allen

[2012/02/05 15:01] Marcus Llewellyn: Later, Allen

[2012/02/05 15:01] Fu Barr: nite nite all!

[2012/02/05 15:01] Richardus Raymaker: nite fu

[2012/02/05 15:01] Marcus Llewellyn: Cya Fu

[2012/02/05 15:01] dan banner: now we need a "places" twitter feed

[2012/02/05 15:02] Timber Wolfe: places?

[2012/02/05 15:02] Richardus Raymaker: places or events ?

[2012/02/05 15:02] dan banner: places

[2012/02/05 15:02] dan banner: on the splash page

[2012/02/05 15:02] Mercalia Beck: oh u want to put me out of business ?

[2012/02/05 15:02] Timber Wolfe: oh

[2012/02/05 15:02] dan banner: click the link, visit a sim

[2012/02/05 15:02] Marcus Llewellyn: You know, where people bribe OSGrid for preferential prominence. :)

[2012/02/05 15:02] Richardus Raymaker: yeah. grab dan merc.

[2012/02/05 15:02] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[2012/02/05 15:03] Timber Wolfe: click the link blow up a region with a nuke :)

[2012/02/05 15:03] Nebadon Izumi: my only fear with an unmoderated feed

[2012/02/05 15:03] Nebadon Izumi: is people abusing it

[2012/02/05 15:03] dan banner: ya

[2012/02/05 15:03] Nebadon Izumi: you know they will

[2012/02/05 15:03] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[2012/02/05 15:03] Richardus Raymaker: ya. dont let everybody post ?

[2012/02/05 15:03] Mercalia Beck: yes a bad idea i think that lol

[2012/02/05 15:03] Marcus Llewellyn: IMpossible. People never spam you with LMs and stuff here.

[2012/02/05 15:03] Timber Wolfe: make it so only those logged in/acct holders can post to it

[2012/02/05 15:03] Nebadon Izumi: but

[2012/02/05 15:03] Richardus Raymaker: i think events is more intrestsing then places

[2012/02/05 15:03] Mercalia Beck: yes

[2012/02/05 15:03] Nebadon Izumi: if peope bring it to my attention

[2012/02/05 15:04] Mercalia Beck: whats happening that weeks

[2012/02/05 15:04] Nebadon Izumi: and let me know to follow their twitter feed

[2012/02/05 15:04] Nebadon Izumi: i will certainly take a look and rewteet anything that looks good

[2012/02/05 15:04] dan banner: ya

[2012/02/05 15:04] Nebadon Izumi: i'll get dan and key access to the twitter account too

[2012/02/05 15:04] dan banner: a neb's pick feed

[2012/02/05 15:04] Oddball Otoole: I have some good lookin places!

[2012/02/05 15:04] Nebadon Izumi: so its not totally reliant on me

[2012/02/05 15:04] Marcus Llewellyn: I hardly use twitter, so having the feed on the site is awesome for me.

[2012/02/05 15:04] Oddball Otoole: ask key:)

[2012/02/05 15:04] Jalen Optera: "random dancing at lbsa. possible any given night"

[2012/02/05 15:05] Nebadon Izumi: ya I don't know why i didnt do it sooner

[2012/02/05 15:05] Richardus Raymaker: i have no twitter at all

[2012/02/05 15:05] Mercalia Beck: nor me

[2012/02/05 15:05] Nebadon Izumi: i have actually been thinking about doing it on the website for a while

[2012/02/05 15:05] dan banner: also

[2012/02/05 15:05] Nebadon Izumi: i didnt even consider the viewer splash screen

[2012/02/05 15:05] Baewyn Celara: I suppose breaking down and making a Bae twitter account will do... unless you can read twitter feeds by rss

[2012/02/05 15:05] Nebadon Izumi: but i will work on redoing the splash screen next

[2012/02/05 15:05] dan banner: theres a certain russian user has translated the welcome notecard to russian

[2012/02/05 15:05] Nebadon Izumi: nice

[2012/02/05 15:05] Richardus Raymaker: dont like a places tweet. :O

[2012/02/05 15:05] Fu Barr: @dan - hahahah - that's a hilarious one!

[2012/02/05 15:05] Jalen Optera: he doesnt always have pants, but the translation might be ok

[2012/02/05 15:06] dan banner: and has suggested a multi-language notecard vendor

[2012/02/05 15:06] Mercalia Beck: employee of SL isnt he?

[2012/02/05 15:06] Baewyn Celara: O.o

[2012/02/05 15:06] Fu Barr: ROFL

[2012/02/05 15:06] Nebadon Izumi: we could do that dan

[2012/02/05 15:06] Nebadon Izumi: sounds like a good idea

[2012/02/05 15:06] dan banner: ya

[2012/02/05 15:06] Mika Mesmeriser: lol

[2012/02/05 15:06] Nebadon Izumi: i'll work on piglatin version

[2012/02/05 15:06] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[2012/02/05 15:06] Baewyn Celara: why not use google translate and make a real latin version

[2012/02/05 15:06] dan banner: we need it translated into a few other languages too and maybe proofread whats in there

[2012/02/05 15:06] Jalen Optera: yeah, just in case the pope wants to come here

[2012/02/05 15:06] Nebadon Izumi: ya i don't trust google translate

[2012/02/05 15:06] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[2012/02/05 15:07] Mercalia Beck: we need a place in SL i think

[2012/02/05 15:07] Fu Barr: klingon anyone?

[2012/02/05 15:07] Mercalia Beck: information office there

[2012/02/05 15:07] Baewyn Celara: I trust it to give me engrish from japanese newspapers

[2012/02/05 15:07] Jalen Optera: I know ubbie dubbie

[2012/02/05 15:07] Fu Barr: Ech Mech Dragbah Kaplach!!

[2012/02/05 15:08] dan banner: maybe add the same lang we have in the forums

[2012/02/05 15:08] Marcus Llewellyn: That makes sense.

[2012/02/05 15:08] Nebadon Izumi: ya that would be good

[2012/02/05 15:08] Nebadon Izumi: we should probably try to get someone fluent in the language to do it

[2012/02/05 15:08] Baewyn Celara: QaPla

[2012/02/05 15:08] Nebadon Izumi: Eryn probably would do German

[2012/02/05 15:08] dan banner: ya

[2012/02/05 15:08] Oddball Otoole: I'm kinda good at dutch

[2012/02/05 15:09] dan banner: and we need someone to read and make sure the translations dont say anything funny

[2012/02/05 15:09] Marcus Llewellyn: We're drowing in native dutch speakers. lol

[2012/02/05 15:09] Jalen Optera: funny strange, not haha

[2012/02/05 15:09] dan banner: "die infidel" or whatever

[2012/02/05 15:09] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[2012/02/05 15:09] Mercalia Beck: go back to sl

[2012/02/05 15:10] Oddball Otoole: I say ban all dutch folks!!

[2012/02/05 15:10] Fu Barr: Dood aand de Ongelovigen!

[2012/02/05 15:10] Marcus Llewellyn: Spanish, french, and portuguese shouldn't be difficult either.

[2012/02/05 15:10] Nebadon Izumi: ya google translate would probably be ok for verifying it

[2012/02/05 15:10] Nebadon Izumi: but i wouldnt rely on it for the master copy

[2012/02/05 15:10] Baewyn Celara: such as "Your arrival is rectal examination>"

[2012/02/05 15:10] Richardus Raymaker: google ytranslate can be funny

[2012/02/05 15:10] Jalen Optera: rofl bae

[2012/02/05 15:10] dan banner: make something with flags

[2012/02/05 15:10] Fu Barr: hoo - xmas is here - vivox data just came through. Me go see if it workey!

[2012/02/05 15:10] dan banner: for each country

[2012/02/05 15:11] Richardus Raymaker: wow Fu.. but that took a few days longer. just after question got the signed papars back

[2012/02/05 15:11] Fu Barr: took two weeks for email respnse 6 hours for getting data once forms filled in. guess kamel must have a massive backlog

[2012/02/05 15:12] Nebadon Izumi: ya probably

[2012/02/05 15:12] Nebadon Izumi: some people have gotten it within a few hours

[2012/02/05 15:12] Nebadon Izumi: so i guess its luck of the draw

[2012/02/05 15:12] dan banner: ya kamal must be busy i send some questions to him over a week ago

[2012/02/05 15:12] Nebadon Izumi: im sure he is busy guy

[2012/02/05 15:12] Baewyn Celara: brb

[2012/02/05 15:12] Timber Wolfe: i got mine all fast

[2012/02/05 15:12] Marcus Llewellyn: I'm sure he gets to it in between swimming in the giant money pool.

[2012/02/05 15:12] Richardus Raymaker: i hear you have example vivox lines in the ini now ? but why not made seperate ini, works fine for me

[2012/02/05 15:12] Jalen Optera: I should get it in case I am drunk and need to sing at anyone....

[2012/02/05 15:12] Nebadon Izumi: its just easier to have it in OpenSim.ini

[2012/02/05 15:12] Nebadon Izumi: for our example

[2012/02/05 15:13] Richardus Raymaker: ok. for maintance its easyer to have it out of opensim.ini lol

[2012/02/05 15:13] Marcus Llewellyn: Speaking of which, has the OSGrid distro movevthe Vivox section back into OpenSim.ini? Used to only be in OpenSimDefaults.ini

[2012/02/05 15:13] Nebadon Izumi: i did yes

[2012/02/05 15:13] Marcus Llewellyn: cool

[2012/02/05 15:13] Nebadon Izumi: since its so popular

[2012/02/05 15:13] Fu Barr feels foolish.... no helpdesk-style headphone+mic in sight.... *chuckel*

[2012/02/05 15:13] dan banner: kamal did answer

[2012/02/05 15:13] Nebadon Izumi: save us having to explain a step

[2012/02/05 15:13] Timber Wolfe: better to have the stuff that controlls the regions all in the ONE ini file

[2012/02/05 15:14] Marcus Llewellyn: Ya, I roll my own, but wondered.

[2012/02/05 15:14] Timber Wolfe: like it is now

[2012/02/05 15:14] Richardus Raymaker: Timber. its more easy to have a seperate vivox ini (and more secure i think) if you have many regions.

[2012/02/05 15:14] Timber Wolfe: ok, easier for you

[2012/02/05 15:14] Timber Wolfe: no one solution fits all

[2012/02/05 15:14] Richardus Raymaker: and have plans to pull someday more out of the opensim.ini

[2012/02/05 15:15] Nebadon Izumi: ya it depends, i'll let advanced users make their own decisions

[2012/02/05 15:15] Oddball Otoole: So, besides vivox, recommended viewers, splash pages...what's new on the grid...Do you guys have awesome places I should visit?

[2012/02/05 15:15] Nebadon Izumi: for our examples and release its just easier as one file

[2012/02/05 15:15] Marcus Llewellyn: OpenSimDefaults.ini does have a lot of stuff in it that's withe rarely used, really arcane, or that just shouldn't be touched at all by most people.

[2012/02/05 15:15] Richardus Raymaker: yes

[2012/02/05 15:15] Nebadon Izumi: OpenSimDefaults.ini should never be changed really

[2012/02/05 15:15] Nebadon Izumi: you should always copy the section into OpenSim.ini

[2012/02/05 15:15] Nebadon Izumi: and change it there

[2012/02/05 15:15] Marcus Llewellyn: Well, no... proper procedure is to copy what you need into OpenSim.ini

[2012/02/05 15:15] Marcus Llewellyn: yeah

[2012/02/05 15:16] Marcus Llewellyn: Just mean that most people shouldn't ever need to worry about anything in OpenSimDefaults

[2012/02/05 15:16] Timber Wolfe: thats how i get clouds in my regions, copied out of the default into the opensim.ini

[2012/02/05 15:16] Baewyn Celara: back

[2012/02/05 15:16] dan banner: neb i sent you kamal's answer about the voice test

[2012/02/05 15:16] Nebadon Izumi: ok cool thanks

[2012/02/05 15:17] Oddball Otoole: blablabla tech-talk...where are to cool sims (besides mine)'

[2012/02/05 15:17] Marcus Llewellyn: Particle clouds == spawn of Satan. :)

[2012/02/05 15:17] Fu Barr: Aestas, Hiems, Ver (under water) and Autumnum

[2012/02/05 15:17] Jalen Optera: oh Marcus, it isn't Satan, its basement cat

[2012/02/05 15:17] Oddball Otoole: Thanks Fu

[2012/02/05 15:17] Timber Wolfe: they look good

[2012/02/05 15:17] dan banner: lots of neat places

[2012/02/05 15:17] Fu Barr: thanks Timber :)

[2012/02/05 15:17] Baewyn Celara: particle clouds?

[2012/02/05 15:18] Timber Wolfe: i was referring to the clouds

[2012/02/05 15:18] Timber Wolfe: but your regions do look good

[2012/02/05 15:18] Oddball Otoole: how do I find neat places here?

[2012/02/05 15:18] Fu Barr: oh regions down fir vivox upgrade

[2012/02/05 15:18] Marcus Llewellyn: It's very subjective. Hehe. I don't like them. And they can interfere with builds.

[2012/02/05 15:18] Fu Barr: yeah that was my suggestion for a showcase...

[2012/02/05 15:18] Timber Wolfe: yes particle clouds can be created in the opensim.ini

[2012/02/05 15:18] Fu Barr: but nobody seeed interested in working with me on it

[2012/02/05 15:18] Timber Wolfe: by copying over the cloud section form the default ini file

[2012/02/05 15:18] Fu Barr: let me get vivox up on then the regions will be back up.

[2012/02/05 15:18] Fu Barr: gimme 5 mins

[2012/02/05 15:19] Richardus Raymaker: Oddball, travelcenter on wrigh or simsqure metaverse astro

[2012/02/05 15:19] Jalen Optera: 5 min too long, you have 4

[2012/02/05 15:19] Timber Wolfe: the clouds can be varied in th eini as to how much and how dense

[2012/02/05 15:19] Fu Barr: stop distracting me...

[2012/02/05 15:19] Fu Barr: :)

[2012/02/05 15:19] Timber Wolfe: just set it on a conservative amount and the clouds add realism tot he sky

[2012/02/05 15:20] Timber Wolfe: ; Density of cloud cover 0.0 to 1.0 Defult 0.5

density = 0.5

[2012/02/05 15:20] Richardus Raymaker: oh that type of cloud. not use it. where thinking about other clods

[2012/02/05 15:20] Timber Wolfe: cloud_update_rate = 1000

[2012/02/05 15:20] Timber Wolfe whispers: what OTHER clouds are there?

[2012/02/05 15:20] Oddball Otoole: If I was a noob on my first minute on OSG (I'd prolly rezz on LBSA), where is wright plaza thingy?

[2012/02/05 15:20] Marcus Llewellyn: Me recommends enabling clouds and then setting all it's parameters to zero. :)

[2012/02/05 15:21] Jalen Optera: thingy...

[2012/02/05 15:21] Timber Wolfe: [Cloud]

Enable this to generate classic particle clouds above the sim.
default is disabled - turn it on here

[2012/02/05 15:21] Jalen Optera: there is a blue box with landmarks that include wright

[2012/02/05 15:21] Fu Barr: simulator - restarting... regions almost back up

[2012/02/05 15:21] Timber Wolfe: Density of cloud cover 0.0 to 1.0 Defult 0.5- set it to like 0.2 or something

[2012/02/05 15:21] Oddball Otoole: Can i un-pack (if needed) the box on LBSA?

[2012/02/05 15:21] Marcus Llewellyn: I have often thought LBSA could benefit from something letting new people know about Wright. I'm not fond of welcome areas cluttered with freebies, but it's nice to let poeple know where they are.

[2012/02/05 15:22] Fu Barr: okay - regions back up

[2012/02/05 15:22] Nebadon Izumi: we can probably do something like that

[2012/02/05 15:22] Nebadon Izumi: maybe a teleport panel or something a LM panel

[2012/02/05 15:22] Jalen Optera: I don't know if I have ever clicked that box, maybe it gives you a list of landmarks, maybe it gives you a box, dunno

[2012/02/05 15:22] Oddball Otoole: And how do I know I should go to Wright?

[2012/02/05 15:22] Nebadon Izumi: Teleport panels are a bit scary

[2012/02/05 15:22] Fu Barr: who's got a microphone they can use to test voice on my regions?

[2012/02/05 15:22] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[2012/02/05 15:22] Nebadon Izumi: ou can accidently click it not knowing the result

[2012/02/05 15:22] Mercalia Beck: lbsa would be a good place for the travel centre

[2012/02/05 15:22] Jalen Optera: I will Fu

[2012/02/05 15:22] Fu Barr: i have headphones but no mic... LOL

[2012/02/05 15:22] Timber Wolfe: always ppl hanging out on lbsa

[2012/02/05 15:22] Mika Mesmeriser: good night, all interesting meeting, waves

[2012/02/05 15:23] Nebadon Izumi: we just need to be careful not to clutter up Lbsa too much

[2012/02/05 15:23] Nebadon Izumi: have 1000's of scripts running

[2012/02/05 15:23] Jalen Optera: tell me where to go

[2012/02/05 15:23] Jalen Optera: gently

[2012/02/05 15:23] Nebadon Izumi: that would take away from performance

[2012/02/05 15:23] Fu Barr: thanks Jalen - till send you tp :)

[2012/02/05 15:23] Timber Wolfe: 1000s on lbsa?

[2012/02/05 15:24] Oddball Otoole: Neb: maybe a simple tp-thing that says: freebies does work

[2012/02/05 15:24] Timber Wolfe: i thought lbsa was pretty bare, the only real density is right at the plaza center there, the couches all have sits, the events board, mdedia...

[2012/02/05 15:24] Marcus Llewellyn: I like LBSA's simplicity, personally.

[2012/02/05 15:25] Richardus Raymaker: it need to be low prim yes

[2012/02/05 15:25] Marcus Llewellyn: There is a new welcome center region geared for newbs, but it's not been finished. Warin was working on it.

[2012/02/05 15:25] Nebadon Izumi: ya i'll come up with some kind of Sign for Wright Plaza

[2012/02/05 15:25] Nebadon Izumi: we can do that for sure

[2012/02/05 15:25] Timber Wolfe: the default landing region is the place every newbie gets their FI±RST impressions from of the entire grid

[2012/02/05 15:25] Richardus Raymaker: that means fats loading..

[2012/02/05 15:25] Timber Wolfe: if the region is lagged, or univiting, thats what the newbies take away if they dont stick around

[2012/02/05 15:26] Timber Wolfe: when i first signed up at avination...

[2012/02/05 15:26] Oddball Otoole: noobs need landmarks to free stuff

[2012/02/05 15:26] Timber Wolfe: i landed on the wrong default landing region

[2012/02/05 15:26] Nebadon Izumi: ya we do have a landmark box there

[2012/02/05 15:26] Timber Wolfe: the one for COMBAT

[2012/02/05 15:26] Richardus Raymaker: i just talked to someone, and that heared osgrid is lag. or opensim..

[2012/02/05 15:26] Nebadon Izumi: maybe we can make that a bit fancier too

[2012/02/05 15:26] Nebadon Izumi: than just a blue box

[2012/02/05 15:26] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[2012/02/05 15:26] Timber Wolfe: and i looked around, it was totally empty, bombed out urban city, no one around, nothing of any help or use

[2012/02/05 15:26] Timber Wolfe: I left

[2012/02/05 15:26] Richardus Raymaker: the bluebox is a bit hidden yes

[2012/02/05 15:26] Timber Wolfe: figured that was how the whole grid was

[2012/02/05 15:27] Marcus Llewellyn: Hionestly, people should *expect* lag or other glitchy behavior from OSGrid. And it wouldn't hurt to make sure they know they as part of their expectations for the grid.

[2012/02/05 15:27] Nebadon Izumi: ya one of the reasons Lbsa is so popular is cause of the simplicity I think

[2012/02/05 15:27] Richardus Raymaker: a blue box, wow. nobody knows whats inside

[2012/02/05 15:27] Richardus Raymaker: hmm , no because everybody is there

[2012/02/05 15:27] Nebadon Izumi: you log into a place surrounded by helpful people

[2012/02/05 15:27] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[2012/02/05 15:27] Timber Wolfe: searches had only brought forth casinos and gamling results, so I figured the whole grid was that

[2012/02/05 15:27] Marcus Llewellyn: I'm not saying we should have flashing danger lights and an air raid siren, but a realistic expectation would help.

[2012/02/05 15:27] Richardus Raymaker: lol marcus

[2012/02/05 15:27] Timber Wolfe: 2 mo later I went back and landed on the OTHER welcome region

[2012/02/05 15:28] Mercalia Beck: i would like an open air place

[2012/02/05 15:28] Timber Wolfe: and then learned the grid had two different welcome default landing regions

[2012/02/05 15:28] Mercalia Beck: maybe by the beach

[2012/02/05 15:28] Richardus Raymaker: its or wright or lbsa or zuais where i start

[2012/02/05 15:28] Timber Wolfe: wright tends to be real laggy , for me anyway

[2012/02/05 15:28] Oddball Otoole: I think the region warin made is a good place for noobs to land

[2012/02/05 15:28] Baewyn Celara: well I account the lag on wright to be due to the freebies shop

[2012/02/05 15:29] Baewyn Celara: (s)

[2012/02/05 15:29] Nebadon Izumi: ya be nice to finish that up one day

[2012/02/05 15:29] Timber Wolfe: a lot of times if I crash or somethign and land at wright i land on the ROOF

[2012/02/05 15:29] Marcus Llewellyn: Warin's region is GORGEOUS. It's just not finished, unfortunately.

[2012/02/05 15:29] Baewyn Celara: orientation plaza?

[2012/02/05 15:29] Nebadon Izumi: I am just afraid the Welcome Station might be a bit problemtatic loading some times

[2012/02/05 15:29] Nebadon Izumi: its like 100% sculpty

[2012/02/05 15:29] Nebadon Izumi: its a lot of textures

[2012/02/05 15:30] Marcus Llewellyn: Yeah, it's all sculptliscious.'

[2012/02/05 15:30] Timber Wolfe: yeah could get sluggish

[2012/02/05 15:30] Oddball Otoole: Too bad warin kinda got dragged into RL before he finished his welcome station

[2012/02/05 15:30] Marcus Llewellyn: But gorgeous. lol

[2012/02/05 15:30] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[2012/02/05 15:30] Marcus Llewellyn: Well, it really just needs a bit more signage, and getting the tram done.

[2012/02/05 15:30] Nebadon Izumi: we can probably make some kind of use of it though

[2012/02/05 15:30] Nebadon Izumi: maybe keep Lbsa the default

[2012/02/05 15:30] Nebadon Izumi: but we direct people there for the learning tour

[2012/02/05 15:31] Timber Wolfe: the default landing region where all noobs land initially should always be the one that runs best, minimal lag, minimal junk, useless signs, stores full of freebies etc

[2012/02/05 15:31] Nebadon Izumi: the train is pretty broken

[2012/02/05 15:31] Timber Wolfe: lbsa fits the purpose well

[2012/02/05 15:31] Nebadon Izumi: thats one reason it never really got finished

[2012/02/05 15:31] Timber Wolfe: tho it's dark color scheme IS a bit on the uninviting feel

[2012/02/05 15:31] Marcus Llewellyn: The tram just doesn't run smoothly, either. It gives a bad impression. As cool as the idea is, I'd scrap it if it were up to me.

[2012/02/05 15:31] Oddball Otoole: It's all about first impressions Timber

[2012/02/05 15:31] Mercalia Beck: the welcome centre obsolete

[2012/02/05 15:31] Marcus Llewellyn: It's good eye candy, but bad for transportation. Hehe

[2012/02/05 15:31] Timber Wolfe: yes you NEVER get a second chance to make first impressions

[2012/02/05 15:31] Nebadon Izumi: ya its so hard to scrap the train

[2012/02/05 15:32] Nebadon Izumi: considering a good portion of it was the train system

[2012/02/05 15:32] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[2012/02/05 15:32] Nebadon Izumi: the train station

[2012/02/05 15:32] Marcus Llewellyn: No need to scrap it. Just don't let people ride it. Heh

[2012/02/05 15:32] Nebadon Izumi: its like scrapping 1/2 the sim

[2012/02/05 15:32] Nebadon Izumi: ya

[2012/02/05 15:32] Nebadon Izumi: but that also gives it sort of a bad taste

[2012/02/05 15:32] Oddball Otoole: LBSA is a bunch of boxes to me, with some (afk) avies on it.

[2012/02/05 15:32] Nebadon Izumi: as to why is there no train here

[2012/02/05 15:32] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[2012/02/05 15:32] dan banner: i like how lbsa is open

[2012/02/05 15:33] dan banner: i get claustrophobic

[2012/02/05 15:33] Nebadon Izumi: everytime i go to Lbsa there is always lots of people there talking

[2012/02/05 15:33] Baewyn Celara: yeah it's cool for those people who get the Tron reference but really all I see now is the couches and that's it.

[2012/02/05 15:33] Nebadon Izumi: only time i usually see afk people is like past 2am my time

[2012/02/05 15:33] Nebadon Izumi: which is not that surprising

[2012/02/05 15:33] Marcus Llewellyn: LBSA's boxes serve a important purpose. It's provides occlusion of the surroundings, impriving rez times. This was a lot more important before it had the sea voids around it, though.

[2012/02/05 15:33] Richardus Raymaker: But a smooth trime would load the sim heavy. i ca now

[2012/02/05 15:33] Mercalia Beck: yes i keep seeing noobs tp in then wander off to see what the boxes are then come back

[2012/02/05 15:33] Mercalia Beck: prob disapointed

[2012/02/05 15:33] Nebadon Izumi: I was thinking about replacing the avatar vendors at Lbsa

[2012/02/05 15:34] Nebadon Izumi: with the NPC vendors

[2012/02/05 15:34] Vivian Klees: the ramps to nowhere

[2012/02/05 15:34] Mercalia Beck: a load of nothing

[2012/02/05 15:34] Oddball Otoole: lbsa is a hangout, not a welcome centre

[2012/02/05 15:34] dan banner: ya lbsa sees a lot of logins everyday

[2012/02/05 15:34] Timber Wolfe: lbsa's box buildings get the idea of a city across well

[2012/02/05 15:34] Marcus Llewellyn: Since I wrote the NPC vendors, I'm all for that idea. lol

[2012/02/05 15:34] Richardus Raymaker: brb-------------

[2012/02/05 15:34] Nebadon Izumi: well all I can say to that response is, Lbsa is probably the most popular welcome center in all of OpenSim grids

[2012/02/05 15:34] Baewyn Celara: you'd still need a giant neon sign flashing saying go here for avatars

[2012/02/05 15:34] Nebadon Izumi: show me one other grids welcome sim with that many users

[2012/02/05 15:34] dan banner: ya the ramps used to lead to all the regions around

[2012/02/05 15:34] Nebadon Izumi: i don't think anyone comes even close

[2012/02/05 15:35] Mercalia Beck: yes bade isnt needed

[2012/02/05 15:35] Oddball Otoole: I agree Neb, but for me it feels like a hangout:)

[2012/02/05 15:35] Mercalia Beck: nor is the welcome centre

[2012/02/05 15:35] Mercalia Beck: best to put all resources there

[2012/02/05 15:35] Marcus Llewellyn: I won't say that LBSA couldn't use a bit of freshening in some way. But I very much like it's basic design.

[2012/02/05 15:35] Mercalia Beck: not wastere here

[2012/02/05 15:35] Vivian Klees: even the welcome centers in SL are hangouts

[2012/02/05 15:35] dan banner: ya

[2012/02/05 15:35] Timber Wolfe: so are the default crash zone regions there

[2012/02/05 15:35] Nebadon Izumi: ya the SL meeting centers

[2012/02/05 15:35] Timber Wolfe: that everyone winds up on when servers crash

[2012/02/05 15:36] Nebadon Izumi: err SL Welcome Regions

[2012/02/05 15:36] Timber Wolfe: one is Korea

[2012/02/05 15:36] Nebadon Izumi: there is like 40 of them

[2012/02/05 15:36] Nebadon Izumi: and old avatars are not allowed there

[2012/02/05 15:36] Nebadon Izumi: so its nothing but noobs

[2012/02/05 15:36] Nebadon Izumi: who don't know what the hell they are doing

[2012/02/05 15:36] Baewyn Celara: heh I remember one Welcome Center on SL tended to be a changing room for avatars who didn't want to end up naked.

[2012/02/05 15:36] Marcus Llewellyn: derpderpderp

[2012/02/05 15:36] Nebadon Izumi: I think after 48 hours

[2012/02/05 15:36] Nebadon Izumi: you cant go back to the welcome regions in SL

[2012/02/05 15:37] Timber Wolfe: Korea looked nice but all of the buildings had no access to the insides even tho you could see floors and doors inside

[2012/02/05 15:37] Baewyn Celara: this wasn't an offical Linden Welcome center it was a user sponsored group

[2012/02/05 15:37] Baewyn Celara: I forget the name now

[2012/02/05 15:37] Marcus Llewellyn: I only remeber the one I arrived it. That was when they had the orientation with broken scripts. The talking parrot and whatbot.

[2012/02/05 15:37] Marcus Llewellyn: whatnot*

[2012/02/05 15:37] Nebadon Izumi: hehe i cant even remember my 1st day now

[2012/02/05 15:37] Nebadon Izumi: was so long ago

[2012/02/05 15:38] Nebadon Izumi: i remember my 1st 60 days in SL though

[2012/02/05 15:38] Nebadon Izumi: i wandered around completely lost and clueless what to do

[2012/02/05 15:38] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[2012/02/05 15:38] Marcus Llewellyn: And newbs walking around on fire because that's the coolest thing the freebie shop had in it.

[2012/02/05 15:38] Nebadon Izumi: absolutely no understanding of anything I was doing

[2012/02/05 15:38] Richardus Raymaker: b

[2012/02/05 15:38] Nebadon Izumi: not that it wasnt fun

[2012/02/05 15:38] dan banner gave you Welcome to OSgrid (Russian).

[2012/02/05 15:38] Nebadon Izumi: but i had no idea what i was doing

[2012/02/05 15:38] Marcus Llewellyn: I was really lucky. I found a great group of people there, and on ine particular who loved to build and mentored me in that.

[2012/02/05 15:39] Mercalia Beck: i seem to remember u couldnt leave it orientation island until u passed their tests?

[2012/02/05 15:39] Marcus Llewellyn: Took maybe two weeks to find em, though

[2012/02/05 15:39] Marcus Llewellyn: That might have been the case, Merc.

[2012/02/05 15:39] Nebadon Izumi: I mostly wandered around casinos my 1st two months

[2012/02/05 15:39] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[2012/02/05 15:39] Baewyn Celara: I remember when I arrived here in OSGrid... New Years Day 2010. Within 4 minutes I had uploaded my clothes. Within two more minutes I had my infamous shape given to me and some better clothes.

[2012/02/05 15:39] Marcus Llewellyn: Or at least they left you with the impression you couldn't. Hehe

[2012/02/05 15:40] Richardus Raymaker: Korea. sometimes i get dumped there. so whats not old.. ?

[2012/02/05 15:40] Timber Wolfe: "to move your avatar, use the up or down arrow keys"

[2012/02/05 15:40] Marcus Llewellyn: Oh yeah. I have my new grid procedure down flat now. lol

[2012/02/05 15:40] Nebadon Izumi: it was several months before i figured out how to link prims

[2012/02/05 15:40] Baewyn Celara: Heh no casinos when I got on SL... the big issue was "Are they dumping adult content"

[2012/02/05 15:40] Timber Wolfe: i was already building huge builds 1/4 sim in size by one month there

[2012/02/05 15:40] Marcus Llewellyn: I spent a lot of time looking at builder's blogs for tips. Gwyneth Llewellyn's blog springs to mind.

[2012/02/05 15:40] Baewyn Celara: any relation?

[2012/02/05 15:41] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[2012/02/05 15:41] Richardus Raymaker: i used automatic the cursor keys to move. it seems many people click on some arrow on the screen ?

[2012/02/05 15:41] Baewyn Celara whispers: XD

[2012/02/05 15:41] Marcus Llewellyn: Nope. Hehe. She spells it Llewelyn actually.

[2012/02/05 15:41] Nebadon Izumi: you know in all my time in SL i never once ran into another Izumi

[2012/02/05 15:41] Richardus Raymaker: or now that bad double click to walk..

[2012/02/05 15:41] Nebadon Izumi: though if you search for izumi there are 100's

[2012/02/05 15:41] Nebadon Izumi: but never met one

[2012/02/05 15:41] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[2012/02/05 15:41] Key Gruin: maybe a distant couzin

[2012/02/05 15:41] Timber Wolfe: i ran into 3 others of my last name there in one location

[2012/02/05 15:41] Baewyn Celara: 10

[2012/02/05 15:41] Oddball Otoole: I met another otoole ones in SL:)

[2012/02/05 15:41] Marcus Llewellyn: I met a few Llewellyns and Llewelyns. I have no idea why it was available in two spellings.

[2012/02/05 15:41] Key Gruin: I am Grau in SL

[2012/02/05 15:41] Baewyn Celara: though I forget what my SL lastname was now

[2012/02/05 15:42] Oddball Otoole: we met in SL Key:)

[2012/02/05 15:42] Timber Wolfe: theres a web page that says how many of each last name there are

[2012/02/05 15:42] Key Gruin: yes we did Oddy ㋡

[2012/02/05 15:42] Marcus Llewellyn: Yeah. Supposedly SL is gonna bring last names back too.

[2012/02/05 15:42] Richardus Raymaker: i heared something about that

[2012/02/05 15:43] Baewyn Celara: wha I thought that they has gone username with user choosable alias?

[2012/02/05 15:43] Marcus Llewellyn: One of those, "we wanna do that" statements from Humble, so who knows.

[2012/02/05 15:43] Key Gruin: i gather the official meeting ended by now, I can put the logs up?

[2012/02/05 15:43] Richardus Raymaker: yes otehrwise you get marcus1 to marcus1000 on sl

[2012/02/05 15:43] Nebadon Izumi: ya i think thats fine Key

[2012/02/05 15:43] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[2012/02/05 15:43] Richardus Raymaker: its not a chatbox, its a world

[2012/02/05 15:43] Key Gruin: ok hehe

[2012/02/05 15:43] Marcus Llewellyn: Seems safe to me, Key. Hehe

[2012/02/05 15:43] Oddball Otoole: its a 3d chatbox for me.

[2012/02/05 15:43] Nebadon Izumi: good meeting though

[2012/02/05 15:43] Nebadon Izumi: once a month is so much nicer

[2012/02/05 15:44] Key Gruin: yeah

[2012/02/05 15:44] Nebadon Izumi: doing it weekly was daunting

[2012/02/05 15:44] Baewyn Celara: IRC with pretty visuals was my first impression

[2012/02/05 15:44] Oddball Otoole: :)

[2012/02/05 15:44] Marcus Llewellyn: I liked modding games, so SL's building was appealing along with the social aspects, for me.

[2012/02/05 15:44] Oddball Otoole: my first impression of SL was: huh?

[2012/02/05 15:44] Baewyn Celara: once a month will be nice if I remember to show up on time.

[2012/02/05 15:44] Richardus Raymaker: once a month is more then enough a day have only 24 hours :)

[2012/02/05 15:44] Key Gruin: mine was lagggggggg

[2012/02/05 15:45] Nebadon Izumi: hehe

[2012/02/05 15:45] Baewyn Celara: *-* ㋡ LmaO ㋡ *-*

[2012/02/05 15:45] Nebadon Izumi: ya when i started SL they were still using class 3 servers

[2012/02/05 15:45] Marcus Llewellyn: My very first impression was actually, "Why am I a skinny black dude with a giant fro?"

[2012/02/05 15:45] Mercalia Beck: if this place use save server as lbsa why is this place a crap lag

[2012/02/05 15:45] Oddball Otoole: pfff, I even remember the wednesday grid shutdowns for an upgrade

[2012/02/05 15:45] Nebadon Izumi: heh i was a lizard my 1st couple months

[2012/02/05 15:45] Key Gruin: I was totally uniformed about what I needed for video power on a PC

[2012/02/05 15:45] Nebadon Izumi: until a friend convinced me to be human

[2012/02/05 15:45] Vivian Klees: mine was how come I don't look anything like those on the signup page

[2012/02/05 15:45] Nebadon Izumi: lol

[2012/02/05 15:46] Nebadon Izumi: i gotta find a picture

[2012/02/05 15:46] Key Gruin: my PC didn't have any jpower lol

[2012/02/05 15:46] Richardus Raymaker: oddbll wich grid ?

[2012/02/05 15:46] Baewyn Celara: heh

[2012/02/05 15:46] Oddball Otoole: SL grid

[2012/02/05 15:46] Baewyn Celara: yeah I got my current video card because of SL

[2012/02/05 15:46] Marcus Llewellyn: I settles on my current shape within three weeks of arriving at SL. Haven't changed it since, except to make my own skin.

[2012/02/05 15:46] Key Gruin: onboard video and 256 mb of RAM on Linux

[2012/02/05 15:46] Key Gruin: lol

[2012/02/05 15:46] Oddball Otoole: every wednesday the grid would go down for an upgrade

[2012/02/05 15:46] Baewyn Celara: Blender's Cycles render engine may convince me to get a new computer.

[2012/02/05 15:46] Richardus Raymaker: the rolling upgrades still interferer weekly

[2012/02/05 15:47] Timber Wolfe: http://slnamewatch.com

[2012/02/05 15:47] Timber Wolfe: searchable list of sl names

[2012/02/05 15:47] Nebadon Izumi: hehe i remember when they used to send out grid wide messages

[2012/02/05 15:47] Oddball Otoole: yeah, but that;s a small downtime

[2012/02/05 15:47] Oddball Otoole: yup Neb.

[2012/02/05 15:47] Marcus Llewellyn: They used to have town hall meetings too.

[2012/02/05 15:47] Richardus Raymaker: hm, yes thats lag. not good here. but thats intressting

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