TownHallMeetingLog20091210

2009-12-10 (UTC) OSGrid Town Hall meeting log

Times in log are US/Pacific

[2009/12/09 16:06] Nebadon Izumi: chiars are broken guys sorry
[2009/12/09 16:06] Nebadon Izumi: try to get that fixed up this week
[2009/12/09 16:06] Bolle Zijde: np
[2009/12/09 16:06] dan banner: i usually end up here but for some reason it missed
[2009/12/09 16:07] Aradox Pomeroy: hmm - seat back sitting, huh. Hallo everybody
[2009/12/09 16:07] Hiro Protagonist: parcel ownership changed recently so folks could start taking up office space in the building
[2009/12/09 16:07] Jeeper Shim: dont lean back
[2009/12/09 16:07] Adam Frisby: Oh that's nifty
[2009/12/09 16:07] Hiro Protagonist: likely thats what broke some of the chairs
[2009/12/09 16:07] Nebadon Izumi: ya it doesnt look like theres any script inside
[2009/12/09 16:08] Hiro Protagonist: I'll fix them later tonight
[2009/12/09 16:08] Aradox Pomeroy: too much leaning back? its the same everywhere
[2009/12/09 16:08] Nebadon Izumi: how wierd
[2009/12/09 16:08] Dave Coyle: greetings everyone, and thanks for coming. only thing i have for today is some translation-related stuff...
[2009/12/09 16:08] Hiro Protagonist: I've been doing a bit of work over here
[2009/12/09 16:08] Adam Frisby: Oh you figured out how the elgg translation stuff works?
[2009/12/09 16:08] Dave Coyle: for those that have offered to help translate parts of the osgrid website, here's the first bit of messsages we could use help with: http://osgrid.org/wiki/WebsiteTranslations-English
[2009/12/09 16:08] Dave Coyle: adam: yes
[2009/12/09 16:08] Adelle Fitzgerald: i can translate into Eglish :P
[2009/12/09 16:09] Nebadon Izumi: oh no there is
[2009/12/09 16:09] Adelle Fitzgerald: English even
[2009/12/09 16:09] Nebadon Izumi: i can translate it into bad english
[2009/12/09 16:09] Hiro Protagonist: you could if ya could actualleh speak it :P
[2009/12/09 16:09] Adelle Fitzgerald: :P
[2009/12/09 16:09] Adam Frisby: I can get my French Canadian business partner to translate it into terrible french.
[2009/12/09 16:09] Dave Coyle: so anyone who can help translate those, either create a new wiki page of the name WebsiteTranslations-<language>
[2009/12/09 16:09] Nebadon Izumi: lol
[2009/12/09 16:09] Dave Coyle: or email the translations to me ( [email protected] )
[2009/12/09 16:10] Dave Coyle: not very web 2.0-ey, but that's ok
[2009/12/09 16:10] Nebadon Izumi: i guess we should maybe consider some non english translation of parts of the wiki too eventually
[2009/12/09 16:10] Adelle Fitzgerald: thats great Dave, ill bug Fernando about it, i know he was really keen to get his language on the website
[2009/12/09 16:10] Dave Coyle: great. thanks adelle.
[2009/12/09 16:10] Nebadon Izumi: Phrearch and Fly-Man might be up for some dutch
[2009/12/09 16:10] Nebadon Izumi: they did the opensimulator.org stuff
[2009/12/09 16:10] Nebadon Izumi: which came out real nice looking
[2009/12/09 16:10] Nebadon Izumi: even though i cant read it
[2009/12/09 16:10] Dave Coyle: i'll have more stuff to translate soon, and will notify those who've expressed interest when i've added that.
[2009/12/09 16:11] Dave Coyle: and that's all i got. neb/adam/hiro/adelle... anything you'd like to talk about?
[2009/12/09 16:12] Hiro Protagonist: not so much right now
[2009/12/09 16:12] Adam Frisby: I could probably use a few more builders if you have good pro-ish 3d skills (blender/maya/3ds) & do sculpties.
[2009/12/09 16:12] Adam Frisby: I've been bugging Warin to do stuff, and he's doing great work - but I know I'm sending way too much his way.
[2009/12/09 16:12] Andress Renall: Well hello Adam nice to meet you.
[2009/12/09 16:13] Andress Renall: I can model, Im not expert but Im not too bad.
[2009/12/09 16:13] Nebadon Izumi: i dont have much, new vehicle available at OKC Sandbox
[2009/12/09 16:13] Nebadon Izumi: if you want to swing by and play with ninja physics too
[2009/12/09 16:13] Nebadon Izumi: its on
[2009/12/09 16:13] Darkeyes Marr: adam i can do some sculpts, use max but better at it in scuplt studio
[2009/12/09 16:13] Nebadon Izumi: the ninja physics examples are out
[2009/12/09 16:13] Adam Frisby: Hrrm
[2009/12/09 16:13] Nebadon Izumi: lots of fun
[2009/12/09 16:13] Dave Coyle: neb: cool.
[2009/12/09 16:13] EL RODO has entered chat range (12.2m)
[2009/12/09 16:13] Andress Renall waves at El
[2009/12/09 16:13] Adam Frisby: OK, I've got an idea
[2009/12/09 16:13] EL RODO: aloha ppl
[2009/12/09 16:13] Adam Frisby: What if we setup a "task board" somewhere.
[2009/12/09 16:13] Adam Frisby: Go in there, dump up a list of items we want made
[2009/12/09 16:13] Andress Renall: That would be very helpful.
[2009/12/09 16:14] Dave Coyle: wiki!
[2009/12/09 16:14] Adam Frisby: and people leave their versions in there
[2009/12/09 16:14] Adam Frisby: pick items off at your leisure.
[2009/12/09 16:14] Nebadon Izumi: also for those who didnt know
[2009/12/09 16:14] Nebadon Izumi: i allowed people to attach IAR/OAR and gz files to the forums
[2009/12/09 16:14] Darkeyes Marr: yes
[2009/12/09 16:14] Nebadon Izumi: up to 2.5mb
[2009/12/09 16:14] Nebadon Izumi: there is a IAR/OAR forum now
[2009/12/09 16:14] Hiro Protagonist: oh nice now the forums can function as a content exchange
[2009/12/09 16:14] Adam Frisby: Oh great
[2009/12/09 16:14] Nebadon Izumi: ya 2.5 isnt much
[2009/12/09 16:14] Hiro Protagonist: we should probably make a seperate forum for that
[2009/12/09 16:14] Nebadon Izumi: but you can do single items nicelyt
[2009/12/09 16:15] Nebadon Izumi: small starter regions
[2009/12/09 16:15] Andress Renall: Great I never visit the forum though work through the events board and in world mostly.
[2009/12/09 16:15] Hiro Protagonist: well it's enough for some decent builds, or a roleplayers kit
[2009/12/09 16:15] Nebadon Izumi: ya
[2009/12/09 16:15] Nebadon Izumi: should be good for sharing items for sure
[2009/12/09 16:15] Andress Renall: But its a good feature for certain.
[2009/12/09 16:16] Nebadon Izumi: http://osgrid.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=20
[2009/12/09 16:16] Dave Coyle: adam, you have a list of stuff you need/want?
[2009/12/09 16:17] Eryn Galen has entered chat range (13.3m)
[2009/12/09 16:17] Nebadon Izumi: heh probably be easier for me to list what i dont want
[2009/12/09 16:17] Nebadon Izumi: lol
[2009/12/09 16:17] Adam Frisby: Dave: I can get one made easily enough
[2009/12/09 16:17] Adam Frisby: It'd be something I'd like to be able to add to randomly.
[2009/12/09 16:17] Adam Frisby: Hence the suggestion of a sim somewhere that we can put up a "TODO BOARD"
[2009/12/09 16:18] Kally Rakan: "ToDoList Plaza"?
[2009/12/09 16:18] Nebadon Izumi: ya how would you do it like some sorta ATM?
[2009/12/09 16:18] Nebadon Izumi: you say commands too?
[2009/12/09 16:18] Hiro Protagonist: we have these little things we run called 'plazas' lol
[2009/12/09 16:18] Nebadon Izumi: pipe it into a php / db
[2009/12/09 16:18] Andress Renall smiles patting Hiro on the shoulder.
[2009/12/09 16:18] Hiro Protagonist: we could put together something like that here in the tower somewhere
[2009/12/09 16:19] Nebadon Izumi: hmm wierd something i typed never came through
[2009/12/09 16:19] Nebadon Izumi: we could pipe it into php/db or something
[2009/12/09 16:19] Monerda Skute has entered chat range (13.3m)
[2009/12/09 16:19] Nebadon Izumi: lol slight chat lag there
[2009/12/09 16:20] Amik Monda: 4-dimensional rubber-banding
[2009/12/09 16:20] Monerda Skute: hi all
[2009/12/09 16:20] Eryn Galen: Hey Moni
[2009/12/09 16:20] Dave Coyle: hi monerda
[2009/12/09 16:20] Nebadon Izumi: hello mondera
[2009/12/09 16:20] Aradox Pomeroy: hi monerda
[2009/12/09 16:20] Dave Coyle: anyone else have anything they'd like to discuss?
[2009/12/09 16:21] Andress Renall: Yes three things actually.
[2009/12/09 16:21] Hiro Protagonist: I need to go afk y'all - dinner is ready
[2009/12/09 16:21] Monerda Skute: bye Hiro
[2009/12/09 16:21] Dave Coyle: bye hiro
[2009/12/09 16:21] Andress Renall: I told Hiro that I was unable to get into Wright plaza because of the lag from the active particles, he rebooted it, it did help but I drop everytime I go in there lately.
[2009/12/09 16:21] Kally Rakan: has anything come of the suggestion to write a tutorial on sim security?
[2009/12/09 16:21] Hiro Protagonist: I'll idle and catch the buffers full tho
[2009/12/09 16:21] Eryn Galen: enjoy Hiro ;-)
[2009/12/09 16:21] Kally Rakan: cya hiro
[2009/12/09 16:22] Nebadon Izumi: particles shouldnt really effect you logging in
[2009/12/09 16:22] Nebadon Izumi: have you tried turning particles to 0
[2009/12/09 16:22] Andress Renall: No No not logging in Neb
[2009/12/09 16:22] Nebadon Izumi: to see if its any differnt?
[2009/12/09 16:22] Andress Renall: Porting into the area..but Ill do that.
[2009/12/09 16:22] Nebadon Izumi: k actually those snow flakes
[2009/12/09 16:22] Nebadon Izumi: its very low particles
[2009/12/09 16:22] Nebadon Izumi: the partciles are pretty big though
[2009/12/09 16:23] Nebadon Izumi: its something like 50 snow flakes per particle
[2009/12/09 16:23] Andress Renall: Something is knocking me out and Im on a Alienware 51.
[2009/12/09 16:23] Nebadon Izumi: they are large partciles
[2009/12/09 16:23] Marcus Llewellyn has entered chat range (12.7m)
[2009/12/09 16:23] Nebadon Izumi: it just looks like a billion
[2009/12/09 16:23] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[2009/12/09 16:23] Eryn Galen: I tp´d to wright even today and had no problem Andress
[2009/12/09 16:23] Adelle Fitzgerald: im gonna scoot, i need to be up really early for work tomorrow :(
[2009/12/09 16:23] Andress Renall: Ill double check my setting again.
[2009/12/09 16:23] Nebadon Izumi: id be interested to see if you still have lag with particles at 0
[2009/12/09 16:23] Adelle Fitzgerald: ill catch yas all later
[2009/12/09 16:23] Eryn Galen: ohh, bye Adelle
[2009/12/09 16:23] Kally Rakan: 'night adelle
[2009/12/09 16:24] Dave Coyle: g;night adelle
[2009/12/09 16:24] Nebadon Izumi: that would highlight the problem better
[2009/12/09 16:24] Monerda Skute: g'night Adelle
[2009/12/09 16:24] Aradox Pomeroy: byee adelle
[2009/12/09 16:24] Adelle Fitzgerald: night all!
[2009/12/09 16:24] Andress Renall: Ill check it Neb and let you know, night Adelle
[2009/12/09 16:24] Nebadon Izumi: kk gnight Adelle
[2009/12/09 16:24] Jeeper Shim: g'night Adelle
[2009/12/09 16:24] dan banner: later adelle
[2009/12/09 16:24] Marcus Llewellyn: B'bye Adelle
[2009/12/09 16:24] Adelle Fitzgerald is Offline
[2009/12/09 16:24] Andress Renall: Ok also about Wright plaza I know the Devs have their hands full but the plaza is getting a bit cluttered and hard to find anything, any suggestions to help with the freebies?
[2009/12/09 16:25] Nebadon Izumi: and made clearer what it is
[2009/12/09 16:25] Nebadon Izumi: make a nice screenshot for the box
[2009/12/09 16:25] Aradox Pomeroy: geee - tonsa chatlag
[2009/12/09 16:25] Adam Frisby: I think a freebie plaza is probably a good idea honestly.
[2009/12/09 16:25] Adam Frisby: Someone can build a nice looking "store"
[2009/12/09 16:25] Adam Frisby: and put some policies on it - maybe require an admin to signoff on everything added there
[2009/12/09 16:26] Adam Frisby: to ensure there's some consistency in placing, screenshots, etc.
[2009/12/09 16:26] Nebadon Izumi: uhg
[2009/12/09 16:26] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[2009/12/09 16:26] Nebadon Izumi: well i think it would be better if people boxed up thier creations
[2009/12/09 16:26] Adam Frisby: Someone doesnt need to be you! =p
[2009/12/09 16:26] Andress Renall: Um how about a board with instructions for those that are not familiar but want to contribute., Right Adam just what I was thinking.
[2009/12/09 16:26] Kally Rakan: something like a mailbox people can drop things in that an admin can pull things from?
[2009/12/09 16:26] Adam Frisby: That could work easily enough
[2009/12/09 16:26] Andress Renall: Neb I can help with building something like that..
[2009/12/09 16:26] Nebadon Izumi: ya its just the Admins are already pretty busy a lot
[2009/12/09 16:26] Adam Frisby: We got a volunteer to act as: a) police for illegitimate content, and b) take screenshots/etc and put things up appropriately.
[2009/12/09 16:26] Nebadon Izumi: a drop off would be better
[2009/12/09 16:27] Adam Frisby: (item "a" is fairly important - we dont want to be distributing stuff of questionable legitimacy.)
[2009/12/09 16:27] Amik Monda: or possibly have one floor for doantions, and other floors for cleared / accepted items?
[2009/12/09 16:27] Andress Renall: Im sure someone would be happy to help pull stuff out, check it and put it in a good place.
[2009/12/09 16:27] Nebadon Izumi: ya but whats the difference between that and the general store?
[2009/12/09 16:27] Nebadon Izumi: why would we check one but not the other?
[2009/12/09 16:27] Nebadon Izumi: doesnt make any sense to me
[2009/12/09 16:27] Frank Northmead: adam, is the admin "policing" going to be taking some kind of responsibility as far as stolen content goes?
[2009/12/09 16:27] Nebadon Izumi: the general store is a pain though overall
[2009/12/09 16:28] Dave Coyle: would this just be an in-world interface to the general store? or something completely separate?
[2009/12/09 16:28] Andress Renall: Neb would it be a little easer to do a in world mall idea?
[2009/12/09 16:28] Nebadon Izumi: thats what im saying dave.. we cant draw a line
[2009/12/09 16:28] Nebadon Izumi: and say you can post anything you want in the general store
[2009/12/09 16:28] Nebadon Izumi: but not on freebie plaza
[2009/12/09 16:28] Nebadon Izumi: that will just confuse people
[2009/12/09 16:28] Bolle Zijde: I must go, bye all.
[2009/12/09 16:28] Andress Renall: Bye Bolle
[2009/12/09 16:28] Adam Frisby: Frank: we cant hold them responsible if something slips though - but it does mean being responsive to reports of stolen stuff.
[2009/12/09 16:28] Jeeper Shim: See ya Bolle
[2009/12/09 16:28] Monerda Skute: take care Bolle
[2009/12/09 16:28] Eryn Galen: byeBolle
[2009/12/09 16:29] Adam Frisby: it also means applying a little common sense if something really nice shows up - and asking if they made it, etc.
[2009/12/09 16:29] Nebadon Izumi: I think if we are going to police one
[2009/12/09 16:29] Frank Northmead: okay - that is a hard issue, and a fine line - we have to be careful to not promote and still not be "enforcers".
[2009/12/09 16:29] Nebadon Izumi: we must police both
[2009/12/09 16:29] Dave Coyle: and by "policing"... if that means proactively seeking stolen content, doesn't that create legal problems?
[2009/12/09 16:29] Nebadon Izumi: or not at all
[2009/12/09 16:29] Adam Frisby: Dave: there's a difference between accepting & policing.
[2009/12/09 16:29] Frank Northmead: Dave, that was teh point of my question.
[2009/12/09 16:30] Adam Frisby: The policing side - say us visiting sims and looking for stolen content, unfortunately does get us in legal hot water.
[2009/12/09 16:30] Andress Renall: We have had alot of discussions about this in Lbsa, it comes down your own common sense and how you want to handle things yourself if something of yours is stolen.
[2009/12/09 16:30] Adam Frisby: But if it's our sim and we're accepting content; we can be more vigilent safely.
[2009/12/09 16:30] Shez Oyen: Stolen creations aren't hard to find :/
[2009/12/09 16:30] Shez Oyen: I see them all over
[2009/12/09 16:30] Nebadon Izumi: well honestly that doesnt work anyway
[2009/12/09 16:30] Shez Oyen: it sucks.
[2009/12/09 16:30] Nebadon Izumi: we had someone whos trees showed up in our freebie garden
[2009/12/09 16:30] Adam Frisby: Yeah it does, I really wish people wouldnt rip content at all.
[2009/12/09 16:30] Nebadon Izumi: i knew they were SL trees for sale
[2009/12/09 16:30] Nebadon Izumi: so i erased them
[2009/12/09 16:30] Shez Oyen: yes, prob Lilith Hearts
[2009/12/09 16:30] Nebadon Izumi: turns out the original create put em there
[2009/12/09 16:30] Adam Frisby: Yeah, Liliths ended up everywhere - in SL too.
[2009/12/09 16:30] Nebadon Izumi: and i erased them for no reason
[2009/12/09 16:31] Nebadon Izumi: so you can think your doing something good
[2009/12/09 16:31] Nebadon Izumi: and in the end be erasing something that should not have been erased too
[2009/12/09 16:31] Shez Oyen: I have bought everything she ever made.. I would like to use them over here.. but there isn't a way apparently.
[2009/12/09 16:31] Kally Rakan: that's a real problem. There's no real way to tell if the people putting them there have been given special permission from the creator
[2009/12/09 16:31] Andress Renall: I would strongly suggest that notecard be put in the item with the objects usage details.
[2009/12/09 16:31] Nebadon Izumi: well if the original creator never complains there is not much we can do
[2009/12/09 16:31] Kally Rakan: I've seen a couple items which were for sale in SL but had permission to distribute on free grids for free
[2009/12/09 16:32] Nebadon Izumi: short of erasing it from the plazas
[2009/12/09 16:32] Simulator Version shouts: OpenSim 0.6.9 (Dev) 9fd9211 2009-11-28 09:23:26 +0000 (OS Debian GNU/Linux 5.0
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[2009/12/09 16:32] Adam Frisby: Yeah, I'll add to what Neb says - we're very responsive on the DMCA takedowns; but we cant do anytthing until one is filed.
[2009/12/09 16:32] Nebadon Izumi: if you think something is stolen
[2009/12/09 16:32] Nebadon Izumi: contact the original creator 1st
[2009/12/09 16:32] Nebadon Izumi: dont tell us
[2009/12/09 16:32] Nebadon Izumi: you can mention it to use
[2009/12/09 16:32] Nebadon Izumi: but we cant do much
[2009/12/09 16:32] Nebadon Izumi: unless your the creator
[2009/12/09 16:33] Adam Frisby: Once a takedown is request - yeah then we can do a lot.
[2009/12/09 16:33] Adam Frisby: requested*
[2009/12/09 16:33] Frank Northmead: going afk for a while, I will read back the log.
[2009/12/09 16:33] Shez Oyen: I just lean on the people using stolen stuff, the peer pressure usually gets it removed.
[2009/12/09 16:33] Amik Monda: you might ask that people offering boxed items inslude a notecard about the origin of the items... not perfect, but it might address some of the problems mentioned
[2009/12/09 16:33] Kally Rakan: iirc, only the copyright holder can issue a dmca
[2009/12/09 16:33] Adam Frisby: Right.
[2009/12/09 16:33] Adam Frisby: Only the rights holder can issue that request.
[2009/12/09 16:33] Nebadon Izumi: yes
[2009/12/09 16:33] Adam Frisby: or someone authorized by them
[2009/12/09 16:33] Nebadon Izumi: the best thing to do is let the person who you think is breaking rules know
[2009/12/09 16:33] Shez Oyen: Theft is smarmy, folks don't really want to be.
[2009/12/09 16:33] Nebadon Izumi: that you know the conent is not theirs
[2009/12/09 16:33] Nebadon Izumi: see how they respond
[2009/12/09 16:33] Nebadon Izumi: then check with the original creator
[2009/12/09 16:34] Nebadon Izumi: if your interested in helping them
[2009/12/09 16:34] Nebadon Izumi: but so far myself
[2009/12/09 16:34] Nebadon Izumi: i contacted a few people in SL
[2009/12/09 16:34] Nebadon Izumi: who were not aware their stuff was here
[2009/12/09 16:34] Nebadon Izumi: at 1st they were a bit upset
[2009/12/09 16:34] Nebadon Izumi: but then most after a minute of explaining were like oh
[2009/12/09 16:34] Nebadon Izumi: no money there
[2009/12/09 16:34] Nebadon Izumi: then i dont care
[2009/12/09 16:35] Shez Oyen: hard to believe
[2009/12/09 16:35] Kally Rakan: it's tricky since an item might appear to be a copy but is actually a parallel design
[2009/12/09 16:35] Nebadon Izumi: ya it is hard to beleive but a few dont seem to care
[2009/12/09 16:35] Shez Oyen: I know a lot of creators an NONE have that laid back attitude
[2009/12/09 16:35] Nebadon Izumi: very few people make a lot of money selling prims
[2009/12/09 16:35] Nebadon Izumi: i know a lot of creators who dont care
[2009/12/09 16:35] Shez Oyen: diff strokes
[2009/12/09 16:35] Andress Renall: As to economy, I know Adam is working on a PayPal integration system, that is something thats ok to promote within our own regions right?
[2009/12/09 16:36] Kally Rakan: neb, I read a study a while back that showed a lot of people are blaze about that sort of copying so long as it's credited
[2009/12/09 16:36] Adam Frisby: The PP Integration works; although it's entirely unofficial
[2009/12/09 16:36] Nebadon Izumi: ya
[2009/12/09 16:36] Nebadon Izumi: i think thats what upsets people more
[2009/12/09 16:36] Adam Frisby: the grid as a whole does not endorse or support any payment systems
[2009/12/09 16:36] Adam Frisby: yada yada yada.
[2009/12/09 16:36] Shez Oyen: It would be GREAT to be able to recieve deliveries from Xstreet here.
[2009/12/09 16:36] Monerda Skute: Today I saw a kiosk to register for "open worlds interconnect" is anyone familiar with that?
[2009/12/09 16:36] Nebadon Izumi: is if you try to take credit for others works
[2009/12/09 16:36] Nebadon Izumi: by selling it as yours
[2009/12/09 16:36] Adam Frisby: Shez: *that* wont happen.
[2009/12/09 16:36] Nebadon Izumi: ya infact you should asume that LL assets will never be here
[2009/12/09 16:36] Nebadon Izumi: directly
[2009/12/09 16:36] Andress Renall: Yes I understand Adam just making sure.
[2009/12/09 16:36] Nebadon Izumi: dont hold your breath
[2009/12/09 16:37] EL RODO: sorry. i ve been afk. Does anyone has a rez system that actually works OK?
[2009/12/09 16:37] Adam Frisby: like rez faux?
[2009/12/09 16:37] Nebadon Izumi: ive not seen one El Rodo
[2009/12/09 16:37] Nebadon Izumi: but you also dont really need one here
[2009/12/09 16:37] Nebadon Izumi: as there are no real linking limits
[2009/12/09 16:37] Adam Frisby: Yeah - you can link bigger & further here
[2009/12/09 16:37] Adam Frisby: so it's somewhat unnessecary
[2009/12/09 16:37] Hiro Protagonist: back
[2009/12/09 16:37] Nebadon Izumi: you can link 1000+ prims that are 100's of meters apart
[2009/12/09 16:37] EL RODO: i know neb. otherwise you'd told me
[2009/12/09 16:37] EL RODO: xD
[2009/12/09 16:37] Monerda Skute: wb Hiro
[2009/12/09 16:37] Eryn Galen: wb. Hiro
[2009/12/09 16:38] Nebadon Izumi: but no my guess is something like those rezzers might have some issues here
[2009/12/09 16:38] Nebadon Izumi: you might want to talk to Warin though
[2009/12/09 16:38] Nebadon Izumi: i know he has a rezzer that rezzes stuff from Blender
[2009/12/09 16:38] EL RODO: the thing is that grabbing not-linked prims to inventory doesn't work. You can't actually take prims as a group if they are not linked. a major flaw for large buildings
[2009/12/09 16:38] Nebadon Izumi: i dont see why something like that works that a rezzer box also wouldnt work
[2009/12/09 16:39] Andress Renall: I have a coder friend who has done rez here..I can ask.
[2009/12/09 16:39] Dave Coyle: kally: regarding your earlier question (about a sim security tutorial)... no, one hasn't been written yet. but feel free to put specific questions or topics you'd like to see covered here: http://osgrid.org/wiki/Talk:SimSecurity
[2009/12/09 16:39] Nebadon Izumi: El Rodo
[2009/12/09 16:39] Marcus Llewellyn: Prim.Blender is what Warin uses. http://sourceforge.net/projects/primdotblender/
[2009/12/09 16:39] EL RODO: so. a rez system could do the trick
[2009/12/09 16:39] Nebadon Izumi: honestly though linking a large building
[2009/12/09 16:39] Nebadon Izumi: is no harder than dropping scripts in every prim for rezzers
[2009/12/09 16:39] Kally Rakan: ok dave. I can't do it myself since I'm one of the ones who needs it :)
[2009/12/09 16:39] Nebadon Izumi: just gotta be patient
[2009/12/09 16:39] Nebadon Izumi: and i suggest taking an oar before you attempt it
[2009/12/09 16:39] EL RODO: but none of the rezzers that i ve tried works ok
[2009/12/09 16:40] Nebadon Izumi: ya that doesnt really suprise me
[2009/12/09 16:40] Nebadon Izumi: LSL is probably not up to snuff here enough
[2009/12/09 16:40] Nebadon Izumi: its easy to overwhelm it
[2009/12/09 16:40] Nebadon Izumi: i notice a tree rezzer i have
[2009/12/09 16:40] Nebadon Izumi: alot of the rezzers just die
[2009/12/09 16:40] Kally Rakan: regarding rezzing, a rezzer that can handle multple linksets could be handy
[2009/12/09 16:40] Nebadon Izumi: they go a few meters and just stop
[2009/12/09 16:40] Kally Rakan: for modular designs so you don't have to choose between individual prims and linking the entire thing in one
[2009/12/09 16:41] Nebadon Izumi: the only thing i can think is builder buddy might
[2009/12/09 16:41] Nebadon Izumi: i herad that works but i never used it
[2009/12/09 16:41] Nebadon Izumi: i dont know of any other open source rezzers
[2009/12/09 16:41] EL RODO: the best way that i ve found is to use the backup export option in meerkat and then, re import when it's needed. but it's an alternate way
[2009/12/09 16:41] Nebadon Izumi: ya thats a good method
[2009/12/09 16:41] EL RODO: if only meerkat were more stable...
[2009/12/09 16:42] EL RODO: xD
[2009/12/09 16:42] Nebadon Izumi: ya im not even sure meerkat is being developed anymore
[2009/12/09 16:42] Nebadon Izumi: i heard most of them are working on imprudence
[2009/12/09 16:42] Nebadon Izumi: but i dont know
[2009/12/09 16:42] EL RODO: me neither. i quit on they # cause there is no movement at all
[2009/12/09 16:42] Nebadon Izumi: that group has virtually gone silent
[2009/12/09 16:42] Dave Coyle: i've found imprudence to be more stable than meerkat. but hippo is still (unfortunately) the best for me.
[2009/12/09 16:42] Nebadon Izumi: ya last i heard most everyone left
[2009/12/09 16:42] Nebadon Izumi: went to work on imprudence
[2009/12/09 16:42] Nebadon Izumi: im not sure anyone is left at meerkat
[2009/12/09 16:43] Nebadon Izumi: meerkats problem was they started adopting Snowglobe functions
[2009/12/09 16:43] Nebadon Izumi: and really did not seem to care if they broke it for everyone
[2009/12/09 16:43] Nebadon Izumi: they seemed to think it was better to try to force everyone to move forward by breaking stuff
[2009/12/09 16:43] EL RODO: they gave me the best thing so far. HPA implementation. wich works with max
[2009/12/09 16:43] Nebadon Izumi: than gradullly get things working
[2009/12/09 16:43] EL RODO: it will be a shame if they quit on meerkat
[2009/12/09 16:43] Marcus Llewellyn: I've been switching between Emerald and Imprudence. Can't decide which I like best yet.
[2009/12/09 16:44] Nebadon Izumi: well im pretty sure they all went to imprudence
[2009/12/09 16:44] Nebadon Izumi: and were merging meerkat functions into imprudence now
[2009/12/09 16:44] Shez Oyen: <-- makes note to look for Imprudence
[2009/12/09 16:44] Kally Rakan: hopefully not breaking things there too
[2009/12/09 16:44] Nebadon Izumi: i think if meerkat does get going again it will probably be by new people
[2009/12/09 16:44] Marcus Llewellyn: Are those ex-meerkat devs still in touch with out IRC channels?
[2009/12/09 16:44] Key Gruin has entered chat range (3.9m)
[2009/12/09 16:44] Nebadon Izumi: i think so but not very in the open
[2009/12/09 16:44] Eryn Galen: Hey Key
[2009/12/09 16:45] EL RODO: maybe at their wiki website
[2009/12/09 16:45] Nebadon Izumi: k/o/w was who told me all this
[2009/12/09 16:45] Key Gruin: thanks Eryn :)
[2009/12/09 16:45] Key Gruin: hi everyone
[2009/12/09 16:45] Kally Rakan: hi key
[2009/12/09 16:45] Nebadon Izumi: he was the 1st to come to me and tell me that meerkat people have moved to imprudence
[2009/12/09 16:45] Dave Coyle: #meerkat is still up on efnet, but it's pretty much dead
[2009/12/09 16:45] Nebadon Izumi: then others mentioned the same thing
[2009/12/09 16:45] EL RODO: kow created the hpa implementation. but he never compiled a windows based viewer for the regular user
[2009/12/09 16:45] Nebadon Izumi: so at this point i can only assume its totally dead
[2009/12/09 16:45] Marcus Llewellyn: Just so long as we still have 3rd party viewer devs listening to OpenSim/OSg... that's important to me.
[2009/12/09 16:46] Nebadon Izumi: we really dont
[2009/12/09 16:46] Andress Renall: As your unofficial tour guide I have put together a list of some areas that are decorated and worth viewing for the holidays, please let me know if you wish a notecard with these areas. Thanks
[2009/12/09 16:46] Marcus Llewellyn: D'oh
[2009/12/09 16:46] Nebadon Izumi: Imprduence and Emerald have pretty much flat out stated their focus is SL
[2009/12/09 16:46] Nebadon Izumi: not OSG
[2009/12/09 16:46] Nebadon Izumi: they are making SL viewers
[2009/12/09 16:46] Nebadon Izumi: we really dont have a reliable viewer team
[2009/12/09 16:46] Key Gruin: hope I'm not sitting on someone
[2009/12/09 16:46] Nebadon Izumi: except Rex
[2009/12/09 16:46] EL RODO: well.. you can actually download some new realeases from their beta download area. but the official is from september, i think
[2009/12/09 16:46] Nebadon Izumi: realxtend is probably the only viewer team who gives a crap about opensimulator
[2009/12/09 16:47] Andress Renall gave you Tours December.
[2009/12/09 16:47] EL RODO: hippo is getting a little bit obsolete :o(
[2009/12/09 16:47] Nebadon Izumi: the others its secondary to SL
[2009/12/09 16:47] Marcus Llewellyn: Naali is very interesting... but they're still too focused on their own customizations if the current viewer is any indication. :/
[2009/12/09 16:47] Key Gruin: hippo still works though
[2009/12/09 16:47] EL RODO: like charm
[2009/12/09 16:47] Nebadon Izumi: the current viewer is like 5% done
[2009/12/09 16:47] Nebadon Izumi: lol
[2009/12/09 16:47] Andress Renall: Im using Imprudence and its done very well for me.
[2009/12/09 16:47] Marcus Llewellyn: Yes true... I'm presuming a great deal about Naali.
[2009/12/09 16:47] Nebadon Izumi: i tried imprudence but i have audio issues playing video
[2009/12/09 16:47] Nebadon Izumi: so i went back to hippo
[2009/12/09 16:47] Nebadon Izumi: i still prefer hippo
[2009/12/09 16:48] Key Gruin: me too
[2009/12/09 16:48] Kally Rakan: I was reading about the MXP protocol and was wondering if anyone knew if anything beyond the testing stuff had been done.
[2009/12/09 16:48] Nebadon Izumi: theres not much any of these other viewers offer that id use much
[2009/12/09 16:48] Hiro Protagonist: Kally have you looked at panda
[2009/12/09 16:48] Nebadon Izumi: Warin was telling me you can do calculations now with prim tools
[2009/12/09 16:48] Dave Coyle: not having SL-based viewers focus on opensim may be a good thing in the long run
[2009/12/09 16:48] Nebadon Izumi: you can do like a math calculation in the prim location window
[2009/12/09 16:48] Kally Rakan: Hippo is good, though no doubt people will complain about the lack of bouncing anatomy ;)
[2009/12/09 16:48] Nebadon Izumi: and reference other fields as part of the calculation
[2009/12/09 16:48] Shez Oyen: I like the IRC and import/export and built in AO in Emerald
[2009/12/09 16:48] Nebadon Izumi: but im not sure how much i would use that myself
[2009/12/09 16:49] EL RODO: Imprudence is that good? i don't know why but i haven't tried other viewers so far
[2009/12/09 16:49] EL RODO: meerkat and hippo
[2009/12/09 16:49] Nebadon Izumi: though it does sound potentially useful
[2009/12/09 16:49] Kally Rakan: no hiro, not seen that
[2009/12/09 16:49] Nebadon Izumi: ya meerkat is a total loss IMHO
[2009/12/09 16:49] Nebadon Izumi: it does not work well for me
[2009/12/09 16:49] Andress Renall: The building functions in Imprudence are good.
[2009/12/09 16:49] Amik Monda: one decimal point off, and i would lose a prim :-)
[2009/12/09 16:49] Nebadon Izumi: imprudence works a lot better than meerkat
[2009/12/09 16:49] Marcus Llewellyn: Imprudence is a nice viewer IMO. They have moved UI functionality around a lot in some cases though. They moved them to logocal places, but not where you may be used to.
[2009/12/09 16:49] Nebadon Izumi: the problem with meerkat is they adopted a bunch of snowglobe functions
[2009/12/09 16:49] Nebadon Izumi: that break compaibilty with OpenSimulator
[2009/12/09 16:49] Key Gruin: is there a release for linux?
[2009/12/09 16:50] Nebadon Izumi: so its become useless as a OpenSim viewer
[2009/12/09 16:50] Key Gruin: imprudence
[2009/12/09 16:50] EL RODO: shadows, huh=
[2009/12/09 16:50] EL RODO: ??
[2009/12/09 16:50] Dave Coyle: key: yes
[2009/12/09 16:50] Nebadon Izumi: not sure i think so
[2009/12/09 16:50] Nebadon Izumi: i think its linux mac and windows
[2009/12/09 16:50] Dave Coyle: i'm using it now. :)
[2009/12/09 16:50] Marcus Llewellyn: IMprudence has Win and Linux releases. Mac also, but mac is less predicatble.
[2009/12/09 16:50] Zardoz Firanelli has entered chat range (15.2m)
[2009/12/09 16:50] Key Gruin: ok
[2009/12/09 16:50] EL RODO: i ll give imprudence a try
[2009/12/09 16:50] Nebadon Izumi: its 100% better than meerkat was
[2009/12/09 16:50] Nebadon Izumi: for sure
[2009/12/09 16:50] Key Gruin: nice
[2009/12/09 16:50] Andress Renall: I highly recommend it.
[2009/12/09 16:50] Nebadon Izumi: mostly video tracks have no audio
[2009/12/09 16:51] Nebadon Izumi: others running in linux claimed it worked
[2009/12/09 16:51] Nebadon Izumi: but for Warin and Myself we both had no audio
[2009/12/09 16:51] Kally Rakan: probably specific codecs missing or not loaded
[2009/12/09 16:51] Nebadon Izumi: i dunno
[2009/12/09 16:51] Nebadon Izumi: it should use Quicktime
[2009/12/09 16:51] EL RODO: but meerkat's developers went for hpa. and hpa is a must for every viewer. i don't know why are we still using old xml basics
[2009/12/09 16:51] Nebadon Izumi: but perhaps imprudence does not
[2009/12/09 16:51] Andress Renall: Ive not tried the video yet, but everything else seems to work well.
[2009/12/09 16:51] Marcus Llewellyn: I thought they switched to gstreamer or somethig.
[2009/12/09 16:51] Nebadon Izumi: they might have
[2009/12/09 16:51] Nebadon Izumi: but i had a few issues
[2009/12/09 16:51] Nebadon Izumi: but gstreamer works fine in meerkat
[2009/12/09 16:51] Nebadon Izumi: just not imprudence i guess
[2009/12/09 16:52] Nebadon Izumi: im not sure hopefully they get it working
[2009/12/09 16:52] Nebadon Izumi: im less excited to jump on board and help
[2009/12/09 16:52] Nebadon Izumi: all these viewers seem fly by night
[2009/12/09 16:52] Nebadon Izumi: here today gone tommorow
[2009/12/09 16:52] Andress Renall: How is the new starting area going?
[2009/12/09 16:52] Nebadon Izumi: im leary to give my time
[2009/12/09 16:52] Aradox Pomeroy: meerkat was still being actively progressed with significant commits on nov24th, i believe
[2009/12/09 16:52] Nebadon Izumi: ya i think it all happend since then
[2009/12/09 16:53] Nebadon Izumi: it was very recent
[2009/12/09 16:53] Amik Monda: I have a nice non-sequitur for a break in the conversation...
[2009/12/09 16:53] Aradox Pomeroy: sorry, just noticed that discussion
[2009/12/09 16:53] Marcus Llewellyn: I noticed that as well, Aradox. I had hoped the holidays had perhaps interrupted development on meerkat. But seems not.
[2009/12/09 16:53] Nebadon Izumi: i guess they decided imprudence was a better group, i really dont know what happened
[2009/12/09 16:53] Nebadon Izumi: Meerkat has gone silent though
[2009/12/09 16:53] Nebadon Izumi: that i do know
[2009/12/09 16:54] Nebadon Izumi: within the last week or 2
[2009/12/09 16:54] Nebadon Izumi: and the only person who was doing patches was the 1st person who told me they moved to imprudence
[2009/12/09 16:54] Nebadon Izumi: k/o/w
[2009/12/09 16:54] EL RODO: i was wondering if it's just me or if someone else went to give a try to bluemars and found cero avi online
[2009/12/09 16:54] Key Gruin: hehe musical viewer devs
[2009/12/09 16:54] Nebadon Izumi: ew bluemars
[2009/12/09 16:54] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[2009/12/09 16:54] Nebadon Izumi: id be suprised if we loose anyone to bluemars
[2009/12/09 16:54] Andress Renall: I have not heard anything positive about Bluemars
[2009/12/09 16:55] Marcus Llewellyn: I have zero interest in Blue Mars outside of keeping the corner of my eye on it. I like to build, and do not intend to register or sign NDAs to do so.
[2009/12/09 16:55] Nebadon Izumi: its quite terrible
[2009/12/09 16:55] Adam Frisby: Andress: the new start area you can look at - look for 'Orientation Island' as the sim name
[2009/12/09 16:55] Monerda Skute: g'night everyone I'm gonna dash
[2009/12/09 16:55] EL RODO: i haven't seen a single soul over there
[2009/12/09 16:55] Nebadon Izumi: night Mondera
[2009/12/09 16:55] Marcus Llewellyn: Cya, MOnerda
[2009/12/09 16:55] EL RODO: c.ya monerda
[2009/12/09 16:55] Monerda Skute: take care all
[2009/12/09 16:55] Kally Rakan: I read it's really designed as a sort of hub/shared world for gaming
[2009/12/09 16:55] Kally Rakan: 'night moni
[2009/12/09 16:55] Andress Renall: Thanks Adam I've been there, just curious how its going.
[2009/12/09 16:55] Eryn Galen: night Monerda
[2009/12/09 16:55] Key Gruin: bye Moni
[2009/12/09 16:55] Nebadon Izumi: i dunno what its designed for but i felt it to be really boring and frustrating
[2009/12/09 16:56] Marcus Llewellyn: Like PS Home is. Hehe.
[2009/12/09 16:56] Nebadon Izumi: i think they have a long time before its useable
[2009/12/09 16:56] Nebadon Izumi: ya its always empty
[2009/12/09 16:56] EL RODO: so, it's bluemars and realx. right? there is nothing else out there?
[2009/12/09 16:56] Nebadon Izumi: its gonna flop
[2009/12/09 16:56] Nebadon Izumi: i bet Bluemars just disappears soon
[2009/12/09 16:56] Adam Frisby: Nah, BlueMars is pretty successful in it's niche
[2009/12/09 16:56] Nebadon Izumi: doing what?
[2009/12/09 16:56] Nebadon Izumi: have you actually tried it lol?
[2009/12/09 16:56] Adam Frisby: Yeah I have
[2009/12/09 16:56] Nebadon Izumi: it horrible
[2009/12/09 16:56] Adam Frisby: the UI sucks; but that's being worked on
[2009/12/09 16:56] Nebadon Izumi: i find nothing good about it
[2009/12/09 16:57] Nebadon Izumi: its so boring
[2009/12/09 16:57] EL RODO: me2. but there is no one. and only like 4regions to visit. (wich are not too impressive)
[2009/12/09 16:57] Nebadon Izumi: the graphics arent even that great really
[2009/12/09 16:57] Marcus Llewellyn: It's promising as a commerce platform. But that's about all so far from what I can see.
[2009/12/09 16:57] Nebadon Izumi: the graphics are no better than SL
[2009/12/09 16:57] Kally Rakan: isn't it like a hub atm? So that companies can build games or mmos and such which link into it?
[2009/12/09 16:57] Nebadon Izumi: i dunno what to call it honestly
[2009/12/09 16:57] Nebadon Izumi: except boring
[2009/12/09 16:57] Nebadon Izumi: lol
[2009/12/09 16:57] Amik Monda: I just wanted to slide this in before the meeting ends:
[2009/12/09 16:57] Amik Monda: I was having problems with my home-based, grid-connected region last month: somehow, the port stopped responding, so I couldn't TP or log in to it. A few days ago, I found Adam Frisby's **New and Improved** OSGrid region launcher, started over with the new release, and everything works! TYVM, Adam
[2009/12/09 16:57] Marcus Llewellyn: Well... if you think SL is a walled garden, Blue Mars is a concentration camp. ;)
[2009/12/09 16:58] Zardoz Firanelli: It was too slow for me to get across the first plaza...
[2009/12/09 16:58] Dave Coyle: before we drift too far into blue mars discussions... are there any last osgrid-related topics/issues people would like to discuss?
[2009/12/09 16:58] Nebadon Izumi: thats great Amik
[2009/12/09 16:58] EL RODO: it could be a nive place for real states bussines.
[2009/12/09 16:58] Nebadon Izumi: love to hear feedback
[2009/12/09 16:58] Andress Renall: Seems we are getting more folks coming in daily btw, Im greet when I can to help out and I see one or two new folks pop in every time Im there.
[2009/12/09 16:58] Eryn Galen: yes, there is :)
[2009/12/09 16:58] Aradox Pomeroy: if you dont like blue mars, try teinity lol
[2009/12/09 16:58] Kally Rakan: is there a place to get the latest welcome notecard for new people?
[2009/12/09 16:58] Aradox Pomeroy: twinity
[2009/12/09 16:58] Dave Coyle: kally: it's in lbsa
[2009/12/09 16:58] Marcus Llewellyn: We've always had new users. What's retention like? Anybody dug that stat up lately?
[2009/12/09 16:58] Kally Rakan: I have one but I keep worrying it's out of date
[2009/12/09 16:59] Dave Coyle: follow the green particle arrow
[2009/12/09 16:59] Kally Rakan: ah, so the board always has the latest one?
[2009/12/09 16:59] Andress Renall: I have an updated shopping list, I keep that up.
[2009/12/09 16:59] Adam Frisby: Marcus: the retention stats have always been a little broken
[2009/12/09 16:59] Nebadon Izumi: we get on average 2800-3000 visitors per week
[2009/12/09 16:59] Marcus Llewellyn: kk :)
[2009/12/09 16:59] Nebadon Izumi: unique ip's
[2009/12/09 16:59] Eryn Galen: Since Bolle had to leave warly, I want to thank Hiro on behalf of the newspaper group for letting us use Bade Plaza and for the great book template that is very usable :)
[2009/12/09 16:59] Nebadon Izumi: logging into grid
[2009/12/09 16:59] Dave Coyle: the latest one is, by definition, the one the board gives out. :)
[2009/12/09 16:59] Nebadon Izumi: probably about 2000 on website
[2009/12/09 16:59] Adam Frisby: http://www.osgrid.org/elgg/pchart/user_retention_quarterly.php
[2009/12/09 16:59] Nebadon Izumi: that number has not changed in a long time
[2009/12/09 16:59] Adam Frisby: That's the best I've got retention-wise.
[2009/12/09 16:59] Kally Rakan: I had to get one from the greeters last time, since the board hadn't been updated with it :)
[2009/12/09 16:59] Nebadon Izumi: i cant say which users are staying
[2009/12/09 17:00] Key Gruin: Yes Thank You Hiro***
[2009/12/09 17:00] Nebadon Izumi: but Google Analytics says for about the past 6 months
[2009/12/09 17:00] Dave Coyle: kally: i'll ping adelle about that
[2009/12/09 17:00] Andress Renall: I keep a list with descriptions and update it whenever someone tells me about a decent area I check it out and update the list.
[2009/12/09 17:00] Marcus Llewellyn: Well, if they're correct, they certainly look good! Heh
[2009/12/09 17:00] Nebadon Izumi: we have had 2800-3000 unique ips hitting the grid
[2009/12/09 17:00] Nebadon Izumi: logging in via the loginscreen
[2009/12/09 17:00] Hiro Protagonist: ahhh, you guys are most welcome
[2009/12/09 17:00] Kally Rakan: dave: that was a few weeks ago, I expect it's fixed now :)
[2009/12/09 17:00] Hiro Protagonist: I'm just happy that someone finds my stuffs usefull :)
[2009/12/09 17:00] EL RODO: God bless dynamic ip's
[2009/12/09 17:00] EL RODO: xD
[2009/12/09 17:00] Nebadon Izumi: heh
[2009/12/09 17:01] Andress Renall: I think the new area is going to be very very helpful.
[2009/12/09 17:01] Dave Coyle: nebadon: you have any thoughts on running the region purger thing again? it's been off for several months, yes?
[2009/12/09 17:01] Nebadon Izumi: its broke
[2009/12/09 17:01] Kally Rakan: bade plaza is cool. I haven't seen another region like it
[2009/12/09 17:01] Dave Coyle: ah, ok
[2009/12/09 17:01] Nebadon Izumi: we need to write something new
[2009/12/09 17:01] Nebadon Izumi: i cant revive it
[2009/12/09 17:01] Nebadon Izumi: ive tried several times
[2009/12/09 17:01] Nebadon Izumi: the whole map is fubar
[2009/12/09 17:01] Nebadon Izumi: needs to just be erased
[2009/12/09 17:02] Nebadon Izumi: lol
[2009/12/09 17:02] Key Gruin: bummer
[2009/12/09 17:02] Nebadon Izumi: im not sure what to do for the map / region systems
[2009/12/09 17:02] Nebadon Izumi: the current system doesnt give us much control
[2009/12/09 17:02] dan banner: time for me to go folks
[2009/12/09 17:02] Key Gruin: seeya dan
[2009/12/09 17:03] Eryn Galen: bye dan, tc
[2009/12/09 17:03] Dave Coyle: well, the past couple of months have been a bit insane for me, but things are returning to normal. i have that half-finished maps implementation. i'll see what i can crank out.
[2009/12/09 17:03] Dave Coyle: (knowing that i've said that before)
[2009/12/09 17:03] Andress Renall: We had talked about ways to break up the regions but there is no good solution at this point..like hosted regions, home hosted and testing areas.
[2009/12/09 17:03] dan banner: see ya everybody :)
[2009/12/09 17:03] Nebadon Izumi: ok cool, heh actually i forgot about that dave
[2009/12/09 17:03] Nebadon Izumi: that you had a map
[2009/12/09 17:03] Zardoz Firanelli: What about districts?
[2009/12/09 17:03] Nebadon Izumi: i think phrearch and fly-man have something new too
[2009/12/09 17:03] Nebadon Izumi: but i dunno he wasnt very clear about what it was
[2009/12/09 17:03] Nebadon Izumi: he wanted me to talk to phrearch
[2009/12/09 17:03] Nebadon Izumi: but i havent seen him or had time
[2009/12/09 17:04] Nebadon Izumi: i think all they had was new way to combine region tiles into larger tiles
[2009/12/09 17:04] Nebadon Izumi: for zoomz
[2009/12/09 17:04] Nebadon Izumi: not an actual map
[2009/12/09 17:04] Andress Renall: Districts are a good idea but I belive the problem is enforcing it, would just have to rely on folks to pick out numbers in the right areas corrrect?
[2009/12/09 17:04] EL RODO: what's the average/daily logins in osg?
[2009/12/09 17:04] Nebadon Izumi: we realy need new grid services
[2009/12/09 17:05] Nebadon Izumi: that allow us to enforce that stuff
[2009/12/09 17:05] Nebadon Izumi: right now our grid server doesnt give us much control on who is where
[2009/12/09 17:05] Nebadon Izumi: and who can do what
[2009/12/09 17:05] Adam Frisby: yeah, task for a programmer in here
[2009/12/09 17:05] Nebadon Izumi: its sorta everyone is on same level right now
[2009/12/09 17:05] Zardoz Firanelli: It would make things easier to find though, so like a shopping district would be a good choice to move all the freebie stores to.
[2009/12/09 17:05] Hiro Protagonist: we just need to add to it
[2009/12/09 17:05] Adam Frisby: Rewrite the grid service (just the grid service) into a PHP script; and I'll be eternally grateful
[2009/12/09 17:05] Adam Frisby: it probably wouldnt take that much time honestly.
[2009/12/09 17:05] Andress Renall nods to Neb. "It would be really helpful for that to happen but I know its a big big thing."
[2009/12/09 17:05] Hiro Protagonist: it needs a few new commands and maybe some extensions to the grid tables
[2009/12/09 17:05] Adam Frisby: It's only got 3-4 methods
[2009/12/09 17:05] Adam Frisby: all XMLRPC AFAIK.
[2009/12/09 17:06] Nebadon Izumi: heh i cant say i know PHP that well
[2009/12/09 17:06] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[2009/12/09 17:06] Nebadon Izumi: or XMLRPC
[2009/12/09 17:06] Richardus Raymaker is Offline
[2009/12/09 17:06] Andress Renall: Anyone else what a December tour list? Sorry its so small but I've not heard of anymore special areas being made for the holidays.
[2009/12/09 17:06] Nebadon Izumi: the more time passes the more i hate making website
[2009/12/09 17:06] Hiro Protagonist: Adam, can you give me a good technical definition of what he grid server is?
[2009/12/09 17:06] Nebadon Izumi: or even working on them
[2009/12/09 17:06] Adam Frisby: Hiro: It's in the services as something like IGridService
[2009/12/09 17:06] Adam Frisby: It's just the world map service.
[2009/12/09 17:07] Adam Frisby: Handles region registration on the map, etc.
[2009/12/09 17:07] Hiro Protagonist: thats what I thought
[2009/12/09 17:07] Hiro Protagonist: it's not the grid service at all, so much as a map service
[2009/12/09 17:07] Adam Frisby: Yeah
[2009/12/09 17:07] Adam Frisby: Well, think grid as in cartesian grid
[2009/12/09 17:07] Hiro Protagonist: it needs moar grid service LD
[2009/12/09 17:07] Adam Frisby: and you are closer to what the original meaning was.
[2009/12/09 17:07] Key Gruin: aren't the region maps generated by each region's OS server?
[2009/12/09 17:07] Hiro Protagonist: ahhh, true
[2009/12/09 17:07] Nebadon Izumi: yes Key
[2009/12/09 17:07] Nebadon Izumi: each region generates its own tile
[2009/12/09 17:07] Key Gruin: ok
[2009/12/09 17:08] Adam Frisby: But the layout/composition is the gird service.
[2009/12/09 17:08] Key Gruin: right
[2009/12/09 17:08] Adam Frisby: grid service even.
[2009/12/09 17:08] Nebadon Izumi: speaking of Adam did you catch Infinity Linden storming off the other day?
[2009/12/09 17:08] Kally Rakan: something like a table mapping coordinates to allowed region UUIDs?
[2009/12/09 17:08] Nebadon Izumi: got all in some kind of tizzy about map standards
[2009/12/09 17:08] Nebadon Izumi: Melanie said like 1 thing
[2009/12/09 17:08] Nebadon Izumi: and Infinity freaked out and left
[2009/12/09 17:08] Key Gruin: I'm no php whiz abut there must be a php package that will dothat
[2009/12/09 17:08] Adam Frisby: Oh it's very simple
[2009/12/09 17:08] Adam Frisby: Honestly someone with 2-3 hours of spare time could probably whip the whole thing up and test it
[2009/12/09 17:08] Adam Frisby: anyway
[2009/12/09 17:09] Adam Frisby: I need to run - lunchtime. But I'll be back in a bit.
[2009/12/09 17:09] Nebadon Izumi: i would say mcortez might be good candidate
[2009/12/09 17:09] Nebadon Izumi: but hes been real busy with new house i think
[2009/12/09 17:09] Nebadon Izumi: maybe after the holidays
[2009/12/09 17:09] Nebadon Izumi: i'll mention it too him
[2009/12/09 17:09] Nebadon Izumi: see if he is interested
[2009/12/09 17:09] Key Gruin: wellmaybe I'll find something on hotscripts.com LOL
[2009/12/09 17:10] Key Gruin: image tiling package
[2009/12/09 17:10] Key Gruin: probably a longshot
[2009/12/09 17:11] Adam Frisby: nah, that isnt the problem
[2009/12/09 17:11] Adam Frisby: the viewer'll do it all
[2009/12/09 17:11] Adam Frisby: anyway I need to run
[2009/12/09 17:11] Nebadon Izumi: ya we have the tiles worked out
[2009/12/09 17:11] Adam Frisby: seeya folks
[2009/12/09 17:11] Nebadon Izumi: for map
[2009/12/09 17:11] Nebadon Izumi: its the map itself
[2009/12/09 17:11] Dave Coyle: seeya later adam
[2009/12/09 17:11] Nebadon Izumi: ok Adam thanks for coming
[2009/12/09 17:11] Andress Renall: Take care Adam nice to meet you.
[2009/12/09 17:11] Nebadon Izumi: id say the meeting is pretty much wrapped up for this week anyway
[2009/12/09 17:11] Dave Coyle: yup
[2009/12/09 17:11] Nebadon Izumi: we try to not go to long over 1 hour for these
[2009/12/09 17:11] Dave Coyle: thanks again for coming everyone
[2009/12/09 17:11] Nebadon Izumi: but if you have any questions you can IM any of the grid admins
[2009/12/09 17:12] Nebadon Izumi: or ask in IRC
[2009/12/09 17:12] Nebadon Izumi: dave you will post log?
[2009/12/09 17:12] Key Gruin: col
[2009/12/09 17:12] Kally Rakan: but please, if you ask in irc, don't ask then leave after 3 seconds :)
[2009/12/09 17:12] Key Gruin: cool
[2009/12/09 17:12] Andress Renall: Again thanks for hosting this its a great way for me to keep up with whats going on, see you all later
[2009/12/09 17:12] Dave Coyle: neb: yes
[2009/12/09 17:12] Nebadon Izumi: cool thanks
[2009/12/09 17:12] Kally Rakan: it can take a long time for people to respond
[2009/12/09 17:13] Shez Oyen has entered chat range (19.8m)
[2009/12/09 17:13] Hiro Protagonist waves
[2009/12/09 17:13] Key Gruin: one thing I need: as designated spokesman for the newspaper
[2009/12/09 17:13] Andress Renall waves
[2009/12/09 17:13] Key Gruin: I need to put on my friend list
[2009/12/09 17:13] Key Gruin: the admins
[2009/12/09 17:13] Key Gruin: if it's ok
[2009/12/09 17:13] Key Gruin: I have some
[2009/12/09 17:13] Key Gruin: not all
[2009/12/09 17:13] Darkeyes Marr has entered chat range (15.2m)
[2009/12/09 17:13] EL RODO: someone farted? cause everyone is leaving sooooo fast!!!!
[2009/12/09 17:14] Andress Renall: If anyone has a interesting area please let me know for the tour list or the shopping list thanks!
[2009/12/09 17:14] Eryn Galen has entered chat range (3.4m)
[2009/12/09 17:14] Eryn Galen: ty Key
[2009/12/09 17:14] Key Gruin: yw Eryn :)
[2009/12/09 17:14] Dave Coyle: any idea when the first issue of the newspaper will be out?
[2009/12/09 17:15] Kally Rakan: don't think so el, no scrpting so no farting attachments ;)
[2009/12/09 17:15] Eryn Galen: We are aiming for January
[2009/12/09 17:15] Key Gruin: after the 1r=st
[2009/12/09 17:15] Dave Coyle: great
[2009/12/09 17:15] Key Gruin: thanks Dave
[2009/12/09 17:15] Eryn Galen: lol, farting attachments. Kally?
[2009/12/09 17:15] Kally Rakan: Oddball made one :)
[2009/12/09 17:15] Eryn Galen: uhuh
[2009/12/09 17:16] Amik Monda: thanks for the meeting; I've learned a lot... time to get back to dealing with the RL snow :-(
[2009/12/09 17:16] Nebadon Izumi: cool Amik we do it every week
[2009/12/09 17:16] Key Gruin: Thanks Nebado
[2009/12/09 17:16] Eryn Galen: bye Amik, tc
[2009/12/09 17:16] Key Gruin: n
[2009/12/09 17:16] Nebadon Izumi: also on Tuesday at noon
[2009/12/09 17:16] Nebadon Izumi: we have a Developer Office Hours meeting
[2009/12/09 17:16] Nebadon Izumi: were we talk about more dev related topics
[2009/12/09 17:16] Key Gruin: anyone is welcome to that?
[2009/12/09 17:16] Nebadon Izumi: sure
[2009/12/09 17:16] Dave Coyle: noon US/Pacific
[2009/12/09 17:17] Dave Coyle: (i think)
[2009/12/09 17:17] Nebadon Izumi: ya sorry Noon PST
[2009/12/09 17:17] Nebadon Izumi: every tuesday
[2009/12/09 17:17] Nebadon Izumi: atleast for remainder of this DST cycle
[2009/12/09 17:17] Nebadon Izumi: then its back to 11am PST
[2009/12/09 17:18] Key Gruin: you're still on DST neb?
[2009/12/09 17:18] Key Gruin: hmm
[2009/12/09 17:18] Nebadon Izumi: im not personally no
[2009/12/09 17:18] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[2009/12/09 17:18] Key Gruin: hhee
[2009/12/09 17:18] Nebadon Izumi: AZ doesnt celebrate that dumb stuff
[2009/12/09 17:18] Nebadon Izumi: lol
[2009/12/09 17:18] EL RODO: i'm gone fell@s. have a nice night!
[2009/12/09 17:18] Nebadon Izumi: later El Rodo
[2009/12/09 17:18] Eryn Galen: Well, I wanted to invite everyone to submit any idea, article or whatever for the newspaper, but its not so crowded. lol
[2009/12/09 17:18] Eryn Galen: bye EdRodo
[2009/12/09 17:19] Eryn Galen: *El Rodo
[2009/12/09 17:19] Nebadon Izumi: well if you want post a news article on http://osgrid.org/news
[2009/12/09 17:19] Nebadon Izumi: then let an Admin know
[2009/12/09 17:19] Dave Coyle: eryn, is there a box somewhere where one can drop a notecard?
[2009/12/09 17:19] Nebadon Izumi: we will authorize it
[2009/12/09 17:19] Nebadon Izumi: you can also post on the wire and forums
[2009/12/09 17:19] Eryn Galen: not yet, we are still working on the office here at Bade
[2009/12/09 17:19] Eryn Galen: but there will be
[2009/12/09 17:19] Dave Coyle: great
[2009/12/09 17:19] Eryn Galen: yep, we will, thanks Neb :)
[2009/12/09 17:19] Kally Rakan: I still find it strange that it's so difficult to communicate in a virtual world :)
[2009/12/09 17:20] Nebadon Izumi: hehe ya
[2009/12/09 17:20] Nebadon Izumi: its a complex system
[2009/12/09 17:20] Dave Coyle: it's better than it was
[2009/12/09 17:20] Eryn Galen: sure is
[2009/12/09 17:20] Dave Coyle: and it'll be better than it is today
[2009/12/09 17:20] Nebadon Izumi: just be happy we are not a government / miliatary contract.. then you would really see how bad it could be
[2009/12/09 17:20] Nebadon Izumi: lol
[2009/12/09 17:21] Eryn Galen: would there be a possibility to use a special thread on the forum, maybe for newspaper stuff?
[2009/12/09 17:21] Eryn Galen: lol Neb
[2009/12/09 17:21] Nebadon Izumi: ya we can probably make a new forum
[2009/12/09 17:21] Eryn Galen: cool
[2009/12/09 17:21] Eryn Galen: before you do though, let me talk to the others.
[2009/12/09 17:21] Nebadon Izumi: im going to remove the meerkat forum anyway
[2009/12/09 17:21] Nebadon Izumi: sure no rush
[2009/12/09 17:21] Eryn Galen: :)
[2009/12/09 17:22] Eryn Galen: Dave... reminder?
[2009/12/09 17:22] Eryn Galen: Any news on the translation stuff?
[2009/12/09 17:22] Dave Coyle: yeah, i mentioned it earlier. lemme find the link...
[2009/12/09 17:22] Eryn Galen: ok
[2009/12/09 17:23] Dave Coyle: here's the first batch of what we need translated, with more to come: http://osgrid.org/wiki/WebsiteTranslations-English
[2009/12/09 17:23] Eryn Galen: okay, cool
[2009/12/09 17:23] Dave Coyle: one can either create a new wiki page with the name WebsiteTranslations-<language> , or email the translations to me ( [email protected] )
[2009/12/09 17:23] Eryn Galen: allright
[2009/12/09 17:25] Dave Coyle: ok, i have to run. i'll see you all around later.
[2009/12/09 17:25] Nebadon Izumi: ok Dave
[2009/12/09 17:25] Eryn Galen: okay Dave, bye and tc
[2009/12/09 17:25] Nebadon Izumi: ya im gonna run back to my Sandbox for a bit too
[2009/12/09 17:25] Kally Rakan: cya