Town Hall Meeting log (2010-01-14 UTC)

[ Note: time in below log are US/Pacific ]

[2010/01/13 16:16] Dave Coyle: so, smaller group today, but i guess we can get started...
[2010/01/13 16:16] Key Gruin: Hi Baewyn, WhiteStar
[2010/01/13 16:16] Margaret Brunson: Hey Bae
[2010/01/13 16:16] dan banner: whitestar
[2010/01/13 16:16] Dave Coyle: first, thanks for coming.
[2010/01/13 16:16] WhiteStar Magic: Evenin Folks
[2010/01/13 16:16] Arielle Popstar: hello
[2010/01/13 16:17] Margaret Brunson: Hi Arielle
[2010/01/13 16:17] Dave Coyle: in case anyone is new, this is the weekly OSGrid Town Hall meeting
[2010/01/13 16:17] Dave Coyle: for people to talk about the good and the bad here on the grid
[2010/01/13 16:17] Arielle Popstar: Hi Margaret
[2010/01/13 16:17] Dave Coyle: problems they're having
[2010/01/13 16:17] Dave Coyle: things that could be improved
[2010/01/13 16:17] Dave Coyle: things that are great
[2010/01/13 16:17] Dave Coyle: i only have one little bit of info to start off...
[2010/01/13 16:18] Dave Coyle: osgrid recently purchased some new hardware
[2010/01/13 16:18] Dave Coyle: to replace the current assets server (which we rent) and to provide a backup server
[2010/01/13 16:18] Dave Coyle: ....for assets, the website, the grid services, etc.
[2010/01/13 16:18] Dave Coyle: that gear is still being configured...
[2010/01/13 16:18] Dave Coyle: and we haven't yet talked about deployment plans...
[2010/01/13 16:19] Dave Coyle: but i'd imagine that would probably happen some time in the next two weeks...
[2010/01/13 16:19] Dave Coyle: it'll involve a few hours of downtime most likely...
[2010/01/13 16:19] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: -17
[2010/01/13 16:19] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: Floor6
[2010/01/13 16:19] Dave Coyle: while we do a final sync of assets from the old box to the new one...
[2010/01/13 16:19] Static Sprocket: doh, wrong floor
[2010/01/13 16:19] Dave Coyle: we'll communicate what's happening when in advance...
[2010/01/13 16:19] Arielle Popstar: some down time expected?
[2010/01/13 16:20] Dave Coyle: yes, a few hours
[2010/01/13 16:20] Arielle Popstar: nod
[2010/01/13 16:20] Dave Coyle: so just wanted to give you a pre-pre-change heads up
[2010/01/13 16:20] Dave Coyle: we have 5 million assets now
[2010/01/13 16:20] Dave Coyle: 200GB
[2010/01/13 16:20] Dave Coyle: so it takes a bit of time
[2010/01/13 16:20] Baewyn Celara: I'd say a day would be a good amount of time ot saty off. Its a large DB.
[2010/01/13 16:21] Shez Oyen: hopefully someone who has figured out how to save IAR's will clue me in before then
[2010/01/13 16:21] Dave Coyle: well, most of the assets have already been sync'd
[2010/01/13 16:21] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: -17
[2010/01/13 16:21] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: Floor4
[2010/01/13 16:21] Arielle Popstar: will we see a difference in the grid afterwards or is it all about backup?
[2010/01/13 16:21] Dave Coyle: it's just a matter of copying what's new between tuesday and whenever we make the switch
[2010/01/13 16:21] Dave Coyle: the big difference is we won't run out of space. :)
[2010/01/13 16:22] Dave Coyle: the current assets server has a single 1TB hard drive
[2010/01/13 16:22] Dave Coyle: the new box has 3x 2TB hard drives
[2010/01/13 16:22] Dave Coyle: so we have more space + redundancy
[2010/01/13 16:22] Shez Oyen: whew
[2010/01/13 16:22] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: -17
[2010/01/13 16:22] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: Floor6
[2010/01/13 16:22] Arielle Popstar: good for a little while to come
[2010/01/13 16:22] Dave Coyle: also, assets will be moving about 3,000 miles
[2010/01/13 16:22] Baewyn Celara: That should do us a while.
[2010/01/13 16:22] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: -17
[2010/01/13 16:22] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: Floor5
[2010/01/13 16:22] Dave Coyle: but that shouldn't have a noticble impact
[2010/01/13 16:22] Dave Coyle: since you're sims proxy the assets
[2010/01/13 16:23] Dave Coyle: and that's all i have for today.
[2010/01/13 16:23] Dave Coyle: anyone have anything they'd like to discuss?
[2010/01/13 16:23] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: -17
[2010/01/13 16:23] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: Floor3
[2010/01/13 16:23] Fernando Oliveira: hi
[2010/01/13 16:23] dan banner: hi fernando
[2010/01/13 16:23] Arielle Popstar: hypergrid functionality
[2010/01/13 16:23] Shez Oyen: Nope.. nothing here
[2010/01/13 16:24] Shez Oyen: Hi fernando :)
[2010/01/13 16:24] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: -17
[2010/01/13 16:24] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: Floor7
[2010/01/13 16:24] Dave Coyle: arielle: what about HG?
[2010/01/13 16:24] Fernando Oliveira: what is this meeting for?
[2010/01/13 16:24] Dave Coyle: fernando, this is the weekly residents meeting
[2010/01/13 16:24] Dave Coyle: it's to discuss anything about the grid you want to discuss
[2010/01/13 16:25] Arielle Popstar: when can we expect to see more ability to do so
[2010/01/13 16:25] Dave Coyle: hi static
[2010/01/13 16:25] Dave Coyle: to be honest, i don't know the current state of HG in opensim.
[2010/01/13 16:25] Dave Coyle: WhiteStar? you know?
[2010/01/13 16:26] Widget Whiteberry is Online
[2010/01/13 16:26] Dave Coyle: i hear people mention things don't work, but i don't know the authoritative answer
[2010/01/13 16:26] Dave Coyle: if that's true, and to what degree
[2010/01/13 16:26] Fernando Oliveira: I used HG some time ago
[2010/01/13 16:26] Static Sprocket: howdy dave
[2010/01/13 16:26] dan banner: it works, sometimes
[2010/01/13 16:26] Arielle Popstar: HG is not a priority for the OS grid?
[2010/01/13 16:27] Arielle Popstar: guess we could talk about chat lag ;)
[2010/01/13 16:27] Dave Coyle: the currently implementation of HG has some limitations
[2010/01/13 16:27] Dave Coyle: e.g. it has no security
[2010/01/13 16:28] Dave Coyle: work is forthcoming on that
[2010/01/13 16:28] Dave Coyle: but there's some other work in core opensim it depends on first
[2010/01/13 16:28] dan banner: makes sense
[2010/01/13 16:28] Baewyn Celara: ok
[2010/01/13 16:29] WhiteStar Magic: back
[2010/01/13 16:29] Dave Coyle: WS, you know the current state of HG in head?
[2010/01/13 16:29] Dave Coyle: worky or no worky?
[2010/01/13 16:29] WhiteStar Magic: for the most part it's working as it has been..
[2010/01/13 16:29] WhiteStar Magic: The usual issues of TP'ing to some of the older versions
[2010/01/13 16:30] WhiteStar Magic: the 4096 region limit
[2010/01/13 16:30] Arielle Popstar: and current versions...
[2010/01/13 16:30] Dave Coyle nods
[2010/01/13 16:30] WhiteStar Magic: 1.5 should be out after teh refactor going on
[2010/01/13 16:30] Cilla Teebrook: YAY
[2010/01/13 16:30] WhiteStar Magic: it works
[2010/01/13 16:31] Arielle Popstar: so 1.5 isnt working at this point?
[2010/01/13 16:31] WhiteStar Magic: right now ...
[2010/01/13 16:31] WhiteStar Magic: It's all waiting on this refactoring to finish
[2010/01/13 16:32] WhiteStar Magic: Diva & Melanie have been workin g tirelessly on everuything
[2010/01/13 16:32] Fernando Oliveira: hi cilla. nice hair
[2010/01/13 16:32] WhiteStar Magic: It's coming soon
[2010/01/13 16:32] Key Gruin: HI Cilla
[2010/01/13 16:32] Arielle Popstar: ok, great
[2010/01/13 16:32] Cilla Teebrook whispers: hey Key
[2010/01/13 16:32] Arielle Popstar: looking forward to it
[2010/01/13 16:34] WhiteStar Magic: the latest version seems to be working well
[2010/01/13 16:34] Arielle Popstar: just so i have it sorted in my brain....Osgrid dev's mainly work on grid aspects rather then standalone hypergid functionality?
[2010/01/13 16:34] Baewyn Celara: Of HyperGrid or OpenSim?
[2010/01/13 16:34] WhiteStar Magic: .
[2010/01/13 16:34] WhiteStar Magic: OpenSim
[2010/01/13 16:35] Dave Coyle: there's some overlap. some osgrid devs are also opensim devs.
[2010/01/13 16:36] Arielle Popstar: but my questions on those areas shouldnt perhaps be brought up here
[2010/01/13 16:36] Dave Coyle: but working on HG, for example, is more something that the opensim developers would focus on
[2010/01/13 16:36] Hiro Protagonist is Online
[2010/01/13 16:36] Dave Coyle: there's a weekly opensim dev meeting on tuesdays
[2010/01/13 16:36] Dave Coyle: in Wright Plaza
[2010/01/13 16:36] Arielle Popstar: way above my head :)
[2010/01/13 16:37] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: -17
[2010/01/13 16:37] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: Floor7
[2010/01/13 16:37] Dave Coyle: hi hiro
[2010/01/13 16:37] Baewyn Celara: Well my questions were answered. Good night everyone.
[2010/01/13 16:37] Dave Coyle: good night
[2010/01/13 16:37] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: -17
[2010/01/13 16:37] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: Floor4
[2010/01/13 16:37] WhiteStar Magic: Evenin Hiro
[2010/01/13 16:37] Key Gruin: Hello Hiro
[2010/01/13 16:37] Dave Coyle: anyone else have something they'd like to discus?
[2010/01/13 16:37] Hiro Protagonist: Hey everbodeh
[2010/01/13 16:37] Shez Oyen: I got nuthin.
[2010/01/13 16:38] Cilla Teebrook: I'm late so start over..
[2010/01/13 16:38] Dave Coyle: :)
[2010/01/13 16:38] Cilla Teebrook: '-)
[2010/01/13 16:38] Shez Oyen: heh
[2010/01/13 16:38] Cilla Teebrook: where are the notes posted?
[2010/01/13 16:38] Dave Coyle: i post the logs after each meeting at http://osgrid.org/wiki/TownHallMeeting
[2010/01/13 16:38] Cilla Teebrook: thanks
[2010/01/13 16:39] Key Gruin: how are region owners doing with the new osgrid release? I just upgraded today but haven't had a chance to check it out much
[2010/01/13 16:39] Key Gruin: anyone else upgrade yet
[2010/01/13 16:39] Dave Coyle: i haven't yet
[2010/01/13 16:39] Fernando Oliveira: I had two hangouts
[2010/01/13 16:39] Shez Oyen: Not yet
[2010/01/13 16:39] zaphrod zenovka: I'm at 0.6.9
[2010/01/13 16:39] Arielle Popstar: oh, heard a rumour that Osgrid dev's are working with Linden Labs ...is there truth to tyhat rumour?
[2010/01/13 16:39] Dave Coyle: "working with" in what way?
[2010/01/13 16:40] Hiro Protagonist: we are certainly not antagonistic
[2010/01/13 16:40] Dave Coyle: one or two occasionally pop into IRC
[2010/01/13 16:40] Arielle Popstar: wasnt specified
[2010/01/13 16:40] Hiro Protagonist: the more accurate statement would probably be that linden labs' engineers would like to work more with opensim devs
[2010/01/13 16:40] Dave Coyle: there's no great collaboration if that's what you're implying
[2010/01/13 16:41] Fernando Oliveira: I have a LL administrator in my land
[2010/01/13 16:41] Arielle Popstar: just asking based on what i heard
[2010/01/13 16:41] Arielle Popstar: implying nothing
[2010/01/13 16:42] Hiro Protagonist: if Linden Labs folks showed up saying they had permission to work on opensim, I dont think their contributions would be refused
[2010/01/13 16:42] Dave Coyle: yeah, we definitely don't see any "us vs. them"
[2010/01/13 16:42] Fernando Oliveira: guy I have to go
[2010/01/13 16:42] Shez Oyen: take it easy Fernando
[2010/01/13 16:42] Fernando Oliveira: bye for now
[2010/01/13 16:43] Cilla Teebrook: see you soon Fernando
[2010/01/13 16:43] Dave Coyle: of course, the grids do have different philosophies
[2010/01/13 16:43] Dave Coyle: by fernando
[2010/01/13 16:43] WhiteStar Magic: Good Night Fernando
[2010/01/13 16:43] dan banner: bye fernando
[2010/01/13 16:43] Shez Oyen: theirs is money grubbing what's this one?
[2010/01/13 16:43] Arielle Popstar: neither talk of S/L opening a door to their walled garden beteween them and Osgrid?
[2010/01/13 16:43] zaphrod zenovka: garden? snicker
[2010/01/13 16:43] Arielle Popstar: :)
[2010/01/13 16:44] Dave Coyle: no
[2010/01/13 16:44] Arielle Popstar: ok
[2010/01/13 16:44] Dave Coyle: my personal opinion... i'd be very suprised if that ever happened.
[2010/01/13 16:45] Hiro Protagonist: socially and ideologically speaking, we are the badlands that Philip Linden envisioned in the early days of SL
[2010/01/13 16:45] WhiteStar Magic: one could say.... There are some folks that need to be behind walls... :D
[2010/01/13 16:45] Arielle Popstar: lol
[2010/01/13 16:45] zaphrod zenovka: LOL at WS
[2010/01/13 16:45] Key Gruin: heehee
[2010/01/13 16:46] zaphrod zenovka: badlands is better than bad gardens
[2010/01/13 16:46] Hiro Protagonist: it makes a certain amount of sense to have some walls between us
[2010/01/13 16:46] Hiro Protagonist: Zaph, there's no central authority here as you know
[2010/01/13 16:46] Hiro Protagonist: no zoneing
[2010/01/13 16:46] Hiro Protagonist: no neighborhood association
[2010/01/13 16:46] Shez Oyen: lol
[2010/01/13 16:46] Hiro Protagonist: you build or rez what you can make or find
[2010/01/13 16:47] zaphrod zenovka: I know, trying to find the right place to ask tough tech questions is not so easy yet either
[2010/01/13 16:47] Hiro Protagonist: it's very easy - it's called IRC lol
[2010/01/13 16:47] dan banner: yup
[2010/01/13 16:47] Hiro Protagonist: then there's teh mailing list at berlios
[2010/01/13 16:47] Arielle Popstar: thats not easy Hiro
[2010/01/13 16:47] Shez Oyen: IRc and the forums have worked for me
[2010/01/13 16:47] Key Gruin: and the forums
[2010/01/13 16:47] Hiro Protagonist: it's as easy as falling off a log lol
[2010/01/13 16:47] zaphrod zenovka: You can check region ZComms... I'm down with building and roll your own... is IRC really active?
[2010/01/13 16:47] Hiro Protagonist: install xchat
[2010/01/13 16:47] Cilla Teebrook: should ppl be paranoid about the transfer of full perms as well .. in regards of them policing transfers?
[2010/01/13 16:47] Hiro Protagonist: I practically live ther
[2010/01/13 16:47] Arielle Popstar: requiresthe same answer to every one that comes through with the same issue
[2010/01/13 16:47] zaphrod zenovka: I'll see you there
[2010/01/13 16:48] Hiro Protagonist: That is a question better directed at LL Cilla
[2010/01/13 16:48] Shez Oyen: When they stop selling full perm stuff on SL I will save a LOT of money
[2010/01/13 16:48] Cilla Teebrook: I'm afraid to touch my silly inventory
[2010/01/13 16:48] Shez Oyen: and won't have any reason to go back there at all.
[2010/01/13 16:48] Hiro Protagonist: I just avoid visiting that grid as much as possible
[2010/01/13 16:49] Hiro Protagonist: not because its bad or it sucks - but because its a different sort of place than I want to be
[2010/01/13 16:49] Arielle Popstar: we have the forums....so easy to put common answer to the regular questions there
[2010/01/13 16:49] Key Gruin: agreed
[2010/01/13 16:49] Cilla Teebrook: I love my personal Not Too HOt neighborhood .. I have many good ppl there.
[2010/01/13 16:49] WhiteStar Magic: well said Hiro !
[2010/01/13 16:50] Key Gruin: and people can refer back to those forum posts
[2010/01/13 16:50] Hiro Protagonist: ooh
[2010/01/13 16:50] Hiro Protagonist: dinner time
[2010/01/13 16:50] Richardus Raymaker is Offline
[2010/01/13 16:50] Hiro Protagonist: see you guys and gals next time :)
[2010/01/13 16:50] Shez Oyen: Enjoy Hiro
[2010/01/13 16:50] Dave Coyle: bye hiro
[2010/01/13 16:50] WhiteStar Magic: have a Good One
[2010/01/13 16:50] Key Gruin: bon appetite
[2010/01/13 16:50] zaphrod zenovka: bye hiro
[2010/01/13 16:50] Hiro Protagonist waves
[2010/01/13 16:50] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: Agent DetectedHiro Protagonist
[2010/01/13 16:50] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: Teleporter Online
[2010/01/13 16:50] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: -17
[2010/01/13 16:50] Hoffman Effect Teleporter: Penthouse
[2010/01/13 16:51] Richardus Raymaker is Online
[2010/01/13 16:51] Key Gruin changes hats
[2010/01/13 16:52] Dave Coyle: so unless anyone has any other things to discuss, i'm going to call this meeting adjourned.
[2010/01/13 16:52] Key Gruin: if anyone is wondering about the newspaper
[2010/01/13 16:52] Dave Coyle: oh, yes
[2010/01/13 16:52] Dave Coyle: newspaper
[2010/01/13 16:52] Key Gruin: we have a scheduled publication of the first weekend of Gebruary
[2010/01/13 16:52] Key Gruin: February
[2010/01/13 16:52] Dave Coyle: is it going to be in-world? or a website?
[2010/01/13 16:53] Key Gruin: it will be inworld
[2010/01/13 16:53] Dave Coyle: cool
[2010/01/13 16:53] Key Gruin: a HUD
[2010/01/13 16:53] Key Gruin: available at vending boxes
[2010/01/13 16:53] Key Gruin: various regions
[2010/01/13 16:54] Key Gruin: the first issue will be basically a handout for new arrivals
[2010/01/13 16:54] Shez Oyen: that's a good idea
[2010/01/13 16:54] Key Gruin: kind of an orientation
[2010/01/13 16:55] zaphrod zenovka: Key, can I sponsor one of the vending boxes?
[2010/01/13 16:55] Shez Oyen: Seems like a logical place to start
[2010/01/13 16:55] Key Gruin: yes of course zap ;)
[2010/01/13 16:55] zaphrod zenovka: or two even
[2010/01/13 16:56] Key Gruin: thanks :)
[2010/01/13 16:56] Dave Coyle: great
[2010/01/13 16:57] Dave Coyle: thanks everyone for coming
[2010/01/13 16:57] Cilla Teebrook: weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[2010/01/13 16:57] Dave Coyle: as i mentioned, we'll make more announcements about the coming hardware upgrades
[2010/01/13 16:57] Key Gruin: *hehehehe*
[2010/01/13 16:57] Dave Coyle: and any downtime that might come with it
[2010/01/13 16:58] Arielle Popstar: ok Ty Dave
[2010/01/13 16:58] Key Gruin: Thanks Dave
[2010/01/13 16:58] Shez Oyen: see you kids later :)
[2010/01/13 16:58] Dave Coyle: thanks eveyone
[2010/01/13 16:58] Cilla Teebrook: Thank you Dave
[2010/01/13 16:58] Dave Coyle: have a good night
[2010/01/13 16:58] Key Gruin: seeya Shez
[2010/01/13 16:58] WhiteStar Magic: God Night everyone.. TP Safe;)
[2010/01/13 16:58] Cilla Teebrook: bye WS
[2010/01/13 16:58] Cilla Teebrook: hello zap
[2010/01/13 16:59] Cilla Teebrook: hey Margaret
[2010/01/13 16:59] zaphrod zenovka: Hey Cilla
[2010/01/13 16:59] Cilla Teebrook: is there an elevator up to this place from the water landing?
[2010/01/13 16:59] Key Gruin is Online
[2010/01/13 16:59] dan banner: thats where i landed cilla
[2010/01/13 16:59] dan banner: in the pond
[2010/01/13 17:00] Dave Coyle: unfortunately i think it's broken
[2010/01/13 17:00] Cilla Teebrook: now I'm stuck
[2010/01/13 17:00] Cilla Teebrook: yikkes
[2010/01/13 17:00] Dave Coyle: let me see about getting that fixed for next week
[2010/01/13 17:00] Cilla Teebrook: oh Thanks Dave