TownHallMeetingLog20100310

[16:03] Adelle Fitzgerald: hi WS'
[16:04] WhiteStar Magic: Good Evening
[16:04] Bade Plaza TeleHUB: Welcome Mercalia Beck to the Lounge.
[16:04] Mercalia Beck: hi
[16:04] Bade Plaza TeleHUB: Welcome Revolution Smythe to the Lounge.
[16:04] Adelle Fitzgerald: hi Mercalia
[16:04] Bade Plaza TeleHUB: Welcome Nebadon Izumi to the Lounge.
[16:04] Nebadon Izumi is Online
[16:04] Adelle Fitzgerald: hi Rev, Neb
[16:05] Revolution Smythe: hello
[16:05] Bade Plaza TeleHUB: Welcome Eryn Galen to the Lounge.
[16:05] Eryn Galen: Hey Neb
[16:05] WhiteStar Magic: Hey Revolution & Neb
[16:05] Adelle Fitzgerald: hi Eryn
[16:05] WhiteStar Magic: Hey mercalia
[16:05] Nebadon Izumi: hello
[16:05] Eryn Galen: Hey Adelle and White
[16:06] Mercalia Beck: hi
[16:06] Michael Skelito is Online
[16:06] Adelle Fitzgerald: i love how these meetings always start with a load of hellos, reminds me of the Waltons when everyone went to bed lol
[16:06] Bade Plaza TeleHUB: Welcome albud blinker to the Lounge.
[16:06] Nebadon Izumi: lol
[16:06] Eryn Galen: lol, true, that
[16:07] Eryn Galen: prolly a lot of ppl here will still remember those ;-)
[16:07] Adelle Fitzgerald: hehe yeah
[16:07] private: playing..
[16:07] Adelle Fitzgerald: hello albud
[16:07] owner VJ: playing..
[16:08] Jeeper Shim is Online
[16:08] albud blinker: hihi
[16:08] Adelle Fitzgerald: Neb, a request for your video blaster... make it less spammy :P
[16:08] WhiteStar Magic: lol indeed
[16:08] Nebadon Izumi: hehe ok
[16:08] Hiro Protagonist is Online
[16:08] Nebadon Izumi: ya its far from done really
[16:08] Nebadon Izumi: it needs a lot work really
[16:08] Adelle Fitzgerald: gotcha
[16:08] Eryn Galen: hehe Adelle
[16:08] Nebadon Izumi: heh i didnt even mean to click it just now
[16:08] Adelle Fitzgerald: i still have to grab a copy to play with
[16:08] Nebadon Izumi: i was camming
[16:08] Nebadon Izumi: accidently clicked it
[16:09] Adelle Fitzgerald: ok, i'll just give it a couple more minutes before getting started
[16:09] Adelle Fitzgerald: it could be a quiet one tonight
[16:09] Marcus Llewellyn is Offline
[16:10] Revolution Smythe: so hows the danger grid going nebadon lol
[16:10] Nebadon Izumi: hehe its up has a couple regions
[16:10] Revolution Smythe: any better than yesterday?
[16:10] Eryn Galen: hehe, danger gird?
[16:10] Nebadon Izumi: now we just need a web intereface
[16:10] Eryn Galen: *grid?
[16:10] Mercalia Beck: is that the new thing?
[16:10] Revolution Smythe: heh
[16:10] Nebadon Izumi: a its alot better
[16:10] WhiteStar Magic: perfect name
[16:10] Nebadon Izumi: its a test grid we setup to test the new changes
[16:10] Mercalia Beck: are they6 very radical?
[16:10] Nebadon Izumi: and also so we can develop a new web interface
[16:11] Nebadon Izumi: heh right now its just 4 regions
[16:11] Revolution Smythe: hehe
[16:11] Nebadon Izumi: couple of oars from this grid
[16:11] Revolution Smythe: i have more regions on PR than that
[16:05] Revolution Smythe: well trunk now
[16:06] Nebadon Izumi: Wright Plaza, Teravus Plaza, Club Sactuary oars
[16:06] Adelle Fitzgerald: and i made my face in thr terrain :P
[16:06] Nebadon Izumi: ya were mostly doing it so we can figure out how to migrate from old grid to new grid
[16:06] Revolution Smythe: lol
[16:06] Nebadon Izumi: and also develop a new web interface
[16:06] Nebadon Izumi: its just a small test grid really nothing that will be officially used by everyone
[16:07] Adelle Fitzgerald: yeah, and it could get blatted at any time really
[16:07] Bade Plaza TeleHUB: Welcome Jeeper Shim to the Lounge.
[16:07] Mercalia Beck: is it to do with the changes we see when we log in?
[16:07] Nebadon Izumi: ya its running ona VPS on our backup asset server
[16:07] Adelle Fitzgerald: hi Jeeps
[16:07] Jeeper Shim: Hi Adelle
[16:07] Jeeper Shim: Hi all
[16:07] Eryn Galen: Hey Jeeps
[16:07] Adelle Fitzgerald: ok, well as we have kinda got started already, i just want to thank yous for coming tonight
[16:08] Adelle Fitzgerald: Dave is caught up with RL stuff, so prolly wont be able to make it
[16:08] Bade Plaza TeleHUB: Welcome Michael Skelito to the Lounge.
[16:08] Adelle Fitzgerald: and the only points i wanted to get out first was about the test grid, but Neb beat me to it :P
[16:09] Adelle Fitzgerald: hi Mike
[16:09] Michael Skelito: ellos all
[16:09] WhiteStar Magic: ya made it, with my TP ?
[16:09] Adelle Fitzgerald: so, yeah, we managed to get the test grid running
[16:09] Michael Skelito: yep lol
[16:09] Bade Plaza TeleHUB: Welcome Paula Sinister to the Lounge.
[16:09] Adelle Fitzgerald: not through tearing our hair out for a while though hehe
[16:09] Simulator Version shouts: OpenSim 0.6.9 (Dev) e635570: 2010-02-22 02:13:01 -0800 (Unix/Mono)
[16:09] Adelle Fitzgerald: there was one massive bug that we managed to nail last night, and Diva and Mel fixed it
[16:10] Eryn Galen: Hey Mike
[16:10] Adelle Fitzgerald: that was causing regions to die on login
[16:10] Michael Skelito: hi hi
[16:10] Mercalia Beck: what is ti testing?
[16:10] Adelle Fitzgerald: its testing the new post p-r opensim
[16:10] Adelle Fitzgerald: basically, the latest versions
[16:10] Adelle Fitzgerald: of boitht he regions and ROBUST (the grid)
[16:10] Adelle Fitzgerald: *both the
[16:11] Mercalia Beck: i see we shouldnt update our servers?
[16:11] Bade Plaza TeleHUB: Welcome Greybeard Thinker to the Lounge.
[16:11] Adelle Fitzgerald: nope
[16:11] Adelle Fitzgerald: not at all
[16:11] Revolution Smythe: hey Grey
[16:11] Mercalia Beck: so very big changes?
[16:11] Eryn Galen: Hi darling :)
[16:11] Adelle Fitzgerald: please please do not go past the rev that Neb has posted on OSgrid.org
[16:11] Greybeard Thinker: Hi sweetheart
[16:11] Greybeard Thinker: Hi Rev
[16:11] House-Mounted Mailbox: You have 1 messages in your mailbox.
[16:11] Adelle Fitzgerald: when updating past that rev, it will update your database, and will not work on the regular grid
[16:12] Adelle Fitzgerald: and will cause you much pain to roll back
[16:12] Mercalia Beck: ok
[16:12] Eryn Galen: I got a question two days ago about how far back the version would be ok
[16:12] Adelle Fitzgerald: how far back?
[16:12] Adelle Fitzgerald: what do you mean?
[16:12] Eryn Galen: yes, some are on a November built
[16:12] Adelle Fitzgerald: ahh right
[16:12] Eryn Galen: is that still okay until the change?
[16:13] Adelle Fitzgerald: basically, you can go right back to the last bump, whenever that way
[16:13] Bade Plaza TeleHUB: Welcome Richardus Raymaker to the Lounge.
[16:13] Adelle Fitzgerald: but if you do go back, you may get impared features etc
[16:13] Adelle Fitzgerald: i cant remember when the last bump was
[16:13] Eryn Galen: okay, thanks. I´ll tell Moni ;-)
[16:13] Adelle Fitzgerald: maybe 2-3 months ago
[16:13] Richardus Raymaker is Offline
[16:14] Bade Plaza TeleHUB: Welcome Richardus Raymaker to the Lounge.
[16:14] Richardus Raymaker is Online
[16:14] Mercalia Beck: so what is the purpose of the new change?
[16:14] Mercalia Beck: features?
[16:14] Eryn Galen: Hi Richardus
[16:14] Michael Skelito: RiRa hiya
[16:14] Adelle Fitzgerald: it is gonna be a while whilst we get things rolling on with either fixing up the current website or making a new one to work with the current opensim, so you are really just gonna have to hang in there
[16:14] Richardus Raymaker: hi eryn, micheal
[16:14] Adelle Fitzgerald: we still ahve no eta at all, as we still dont know what is involved
[16:15] Mercalia Beck: ok
[16:15] Adelle Fitzgerald: but now we have the test grid, we can start looking and poking about
[16:15] Greybeard Thinker: ya test grid lol
[16:15] Adelle Fitzgerald: the new change is a complete refactor of the avatar presence
[16:15] Mercalia Beck: what does that mean?
[16:15] Adelle Fitzgerald: basically things like logins, friends online, stuff like that
[16:15] Mercalia Beck: ok
[16:16] Adelle Fitzgerald: where avatars are, times logged in, all stuff to do with actual presence
[16:16] Richardus Raymaker: does spontanic viewer quite also something to do with the code. and is that better fixt in new one ?
[16:16] Adelle Fitzgerald: what viewre is this, RiRA?
[16:16] Richardus Raymaker: you do nothing, only sitting. and then poof
[16:17] Richardus Raymaker: imprudence 1.2.0 tryed 1.3 but avatar flickers
[16:17] Adelle Fitzgerald: i would say, take that up with the viewer creators
[16:17] Greybeard Thinker: ah spontanious crashes
[16:17] Adelle Fitzgerald: i dont see it as an opensim thing as it doesnt happen with Hippo
[16:17] WhiteStar Magic: LBSA does not count LOL
[16:17] Richardus Raymaker: the flicker yes. but the spontanic logout im not sure
[16:17] Greybeard Thinker: was wondering about a new viewer called spontanic lol
[16:17] Michael Skelito: and I have to pay extr for that...not fair
[16:17] Adelle Fitzgerald: lol GB
[16:17] Mercalia Beck: well the latest hippo seems to crasj more
[16:18] Revolution Smythe: yep
[16:18] Greybeard Thinker: yes new Hippo is not so good
[16:18] Adelle Fitzgerald: again, please take it up with the viewer devs
[16:18] Greybeard Thinker: I reverted to the elderly but faithfull myself
[16:18] Michael Skelito: well it is an issue here on the grid
[16:18] Revolution Smythe: this is a user meeting
[16:18] Adelle Fitzgerald: there is only one viewer i can honestly say is pretty reliable, and that is Hippo 0.5.x
[16:18] Michael Skelito: yes
[16:18] Eryn Galen: hehe, agreed Adelle
[16:18] Michael Skelito: agreed
[16:18] Greybeard Thinker: agrees with Adelle
[16:18] Mercalia Beck: was using that
[16:19] Mercalia Beck: will still give the 0,6 a try
[16:19] Nebadon Izumi: im uing 0.6.2 right now
[16:19] Nebadon Izumi: its not so bad
[16:19] Adelle Fitzgerald: 0.6.2 seems ok, but there are some quirks for me, and different quirks for others
[16:19] Greybeard Thinker: has all the Linden 1.23.5 bugs merc so I'd advise against it
[16:19] Eryn Galen: And Rira the only time with Hippo that I get logged out spontaneously, that is not a viewer crash is when LBSA goes down, hehe
[16:19] Nebadon Izumi: has a few quirks
[16:19] WhiteStar Magic: me too, have been for a couple of days now
[16:19] Adelle Fitzgerald: but again, take it up with the viewer devs about bugs in that
[16:19] Bade Plaza TeleHUB: Welcome Mahakala Dharmapala to the Lounge.
[16:20] Eryn Galen: HEy Maha
[16:20] Richardus Raymaker: hipo seems ok. but i miss a few things. most important one is clickable slurl in chat
[16:20] Mercalia Beck: well i notice clothes losing textures
[16:20] Mercalia Beck: ?
[16:20] Adelle Fitzgerald: hi Mahakala
[16:20] Revolution Smythe: hey maha
[16:20] Mahakala Dharmapala: Hallo ^_^
[16:20] Bade Plaza TeleHUB: Welcome Zardoz Firanelli to the Lounge.
[16:20] Richardus Raymaker: hi mahakala
[16:20] Eryn Galen: oh yes, whats that all about? Skirts can no longer hold textures?
[16:20] Mercalia Beck: well what ever
[16:20] Eryn Galen: Thats not a viewer problem, it goes across all viewers
[16:20] Adelle Fitzgerald: hmm, im not sure, thats a new one on me
[16:21] Mercalia Beck: clothes goi9ng funny
[16:21] Eryn Galen: I have noticed it with quite a few ppl, it concerns non-flexi though, so not a lot use it, hehe
[16:21] Bade Plaza TeleHUB: Welcome Alexandra Sloat to the Lounge.
[16:21] Adelle Fitzgerald: bugs like that should be reported on the forums
[16:22] Mercalia Beck: maybe my use of hyper gord though?
[16:22] Mercalia Beck: grid
[16:22] Eryn Galen: I thought they had... Havent been on the forum for ages now, sorry. Was busy building and the shop and such
[16:22] Adelle Fitzgerald: HG is terribly instable atm
[16:22] Adelle Fitzgerald: so, yes, it could be part of that
[16:22] Mercalia Beck: well atleast there ar eplaces to go
[16:22] Mercalia Beck: lol
[16:22] Mercalia Beck: from here
[16:23] Adelle Fitzgerald: were kinda drifing into a bug hunting thing atm, so anyone got anything they want to mentions about OSgrid itself, non tech?
[16:23] Eryn Galen: yep
[16:24] Eryn Galen: Next issue of the Gazet
[16:24] WhiteStar Magic: I like what's happened @ Wright Plaza
[16:24] Adelle Fitzgerald: yeah, its nice, you canbthank Neb for that, he did pretty much all the work
[16:24] Adelle Fitzgerald: *can thank
[16:24] Greybeard Thinker: I dont like how the new asset server system has totally screwed up working with Second Inventory for backup and restore
[16:24] Adelle Fitzgerald: Eryn, I believe your latest issue is out?
[16:25] Richardus Raymaker: ??
[16:25] Richardus Raymaker: what happens greybeard ?
[16:25] Greybeard Thinker: but I have to get onto SI devs to see what they can do there
[16:25] Eryn Galen: yes, I am talking about the next one, in April...
[16:25] Adelle Fitzgerald: GT, we'll come back to that shortly
[16:25] Greybeard Thinker: ty Adelle
[16:25] Eryn Galen: It will be under the topic of "Education", so if anyone wants to contribute with anything, you are most welcome :)
[16:26] Adelle Fitzgerald: cool Eryn
[16:26] Zardoz Firanelli: Will, or is the Gazet available on the web?
[16:26] Eryn Galen: Just drop any Editor whatever you want to contribute or drop a note in one of our postboxes
[16:26] Eryn Galen: The web availability is currently looked into, but not yet Zardoz.. We are thinking about it
[16:26] Richardus Raymaker: eryn, there's a blender learning center on one of my regions
[16:26] Eryn Galen: It was more important to get it out first, hehe
[16:26] Eryn Galen: cool Richardus
[16:27] Jeeper Shim: I just tried to get thre RiRa but couldn't
[16:27] Eryn Galen: can you make an article on what it does?
[16:27] Eryn Galen: or just describe it, and we will take care of the rest ;-)
[16:27] Adelle Fitzgerald: oh, whilst i remember. I have missed the last two newspaper meetings, is there any chance of a bit more notice of the meetings, Eryn?
[16:27] Adelle Fitzgerald: maybe a shout the day before, then one before the meeting?
[16:27] Richardus Raymaker: arrgh. someone else makes it. i only install it eryn. when i have time i will look at it
[16:27] Eryn Galen: yes Adelle, I was thinking the same...
[16:28] Eryn Galen: We will come up with something
[16:28] Adelle Fitzgerald: cool
[16:28] Richardus Raymaker: dont have the paper vendor to. its done already ?
[16:28] Eryn Galen: yes, we can sort you out no problem Richardus :)
[16:28] Eryn Galen: lets do it after the meeting, ok?
[16:28] Richardus Raymaker: if its not to late ok
[16:28] Eryn Galen: so anyone wanting to contribute, please DO
[16:28] Eryn Galen: hehe
[16:30] Adelle Fitzgerald: has anyone else got anything they want to contribute about OSgrid?
[16:30] Mahakala Dharmapala: The Wright Plaza stores are looking great!
[16:30] Michael Skelito: does auto return work at the sandboxes?
[16:30] Mahakala Dharmapala: We need more of builder encouraging stuff like that
[16:30] Nebadon Izumi: :) ya im very happy with Wright Plaza so far
[16:30] Adelle Fitzgerald: Mike, yes and no
[16:30] Greybeard Thinker: Hey Maha
[16:30] Michael Skelito: lol
[16:30] Michael Skelito: ok
[16:30] Nebadon Izumi: if it doesnt crash it works
[16:30] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[16:30] Adelle Fitzgerald: it does work, but they ahve to be running for the full duration for the stuff to get returned
[16:30] Richardus Raymaker: i do my best with building. working on things now
[16:31] Adelle Fitzgerald: i think they are set to 12 hours
[16:31] Michael Skelito: oh ok understand
[16:31] Eryn Galen: hehe Adelle, thats a bummer ;-)
[16:31] Adelle Fitzgerald: so if it crashes at 11.59 hours, then it resets back to 0
[16:31] Greybeard Thinker: lol
[16:31] Adelle Fitzgerald: yeah, it is a pain
[16:31] Michael Skelito: ahhh
[16:31] House-Mounted Mailbox: You have 1 messages in your mailbox.
[16:31] Adelle Fitzgerald: im sure stuff like taht will eventually get sorted though
[16:32] Eryn Galen: so you just drop all the stuff manually from time to time?
[16:32] Revolution Smythe: it needs to save the date of when it should expire
[16:32] Adelle Fitzgerald: occasionally one of us admins, will go and return stuff
[16:32] Revolution Smythe: or something like that
[16:32] Verlian Shambala is Offline
[16:32] Eryn Galen: ouch
[16:32] Tesira Luco is Offline
[16:32] Adelle Fitzgerald: itf its too much of a mess, we will jsut load a fresh oar over the top
[16:32] Eryn Galen: right
[16:32] Greybeard Thinker: they were a mess when i dropped in the other day
[16:33] Greybeard Thinker: but that is sandboxes
[16:33] Adelle Fitzgerald: now, if people would clean up after themselves, it would make things a lot easier for us :P
[16:33] Richardus Raymaker: when is a sandbox clean ^^
[16:33] Greybeard Thinker: cleanup?
[16:33] Greybeard Thinker: whaaa/
[16:33] Adelle Fitzgerald: hehe
[16:33] Eryn Galen: uhuh, but not when autoreturn is active they wount
[16:33] Mahakala Dharmapala: cleanup in a sandbox? Psh ;)
[16:33] Michael Skelito: what about 4 hours?
[16:33] albud blinker: too much kitty litter :)
[16:33] Revolution Smythe: hehe
[16:33] Zardoz Firanelli: I think when you do that, the old objects stay in teh database unless you delete the region or wipe the database - found that out the hard way.
[16:33] Eryn Galen: they do Zardoz
[16:33] Mercalia Beck: oh
[16:33] Greybeard Thinker: ya beginning to dislike the way db's work
[16:34] Richardus Raymaker: hm, oh ?
[16:34] Greybeard Thinker: no deletion of deleted stuff is not good lol.
[16:34] Richardus Raymaker: is autoreturn then ok ?
[16:34] Zardoz Firanelli: Yes, I get script messages from scripts that are no longer there.
[16:34] Michael Skelito: 4 hours they can take and re rezz :)
[16:34] Adelle Fitzgerald: it does work as long as the region is up for the cycle, RiRa
[16:34] Greybeard Thinker: uhuh finally dived into my home grid db's last night
[16:34] Greybeard Thinker: what a mess lol
[16:35] Richardus Raymaker: so as lomng autoreturn keeps working the always go away again :)
[16:35] Richardus Raymaker: also after restart
[16:35] Greybeard Thinker: maybe drop the auto return times down a touch in the grids sandboxes?
[16:36] Adelle Fitzgerald: its a hard one, GT, if we do that people get pissed at us, and ask us to up it
[16:36] Adelle Fitzgerald: 'waaaa my thing dissapeared whilst i was working on it!!!'
[16:36] Greybeard Thinker: they should learn to save to inventory incrementally then?
[16:36] Adelle Fitzgerald: it happens
[16:36] Michael Skelito: big sign saying take and rerez
[16:36] Adelle Fitzgerald: well yeah, i know that, you know that, but not everyone thinks about it
[16:36] Greybeard Thinker: yep
[16:36] Adelle Fitzgerald: same goes for backing up regions
[16:37] Greybeard Thinker: not every body learns how to think huh?
[16:37] Michael Skelito: they will when stuff poofs
[16:37] Richardus Raymaker: GB, hard to do. linking is still dangerous business.. it seems fine. but i dont trust it complete
[16:37] Michael Skelito: learn fast
[16:37] Adelle Fitzgerald: i think a lot of it is that people come here with the mentality of SL in their minds
[16:37] Greybeard Thinker: yep Mike
[16:37] Adelle Fitzgerald: expecting another SL
[16:37] Richardus Raymaker: yes adella
[16:37] Greybeard Thinker: and linking has never been a problem for me RiRa
[16:37] Greybeard Thinker: as long as you do it right way round
[16:38] Adelle Fitzgerald: then when things dont work the same its 'zomg! is broke!!!'
[16:38] Zardoz Firanelli: Try linking something and putting it on your head, then try moving it 3 or 4 times...
[16:38] Greybeard Thinker: works better than that other grid that shall remain nameless most times I think lol.
[16:39] albud blinker: what other grids are there?:)
[16:39] Richardus Raymaker: GB, maby call that BL
[16:39] Adelle Fitzgerald: there are many many quirks, some will go, more will come, at least for a while anyway
[16:39] Jeeper Shim: I have to run. See ya later
[16:39] Bade Plaza TeleHUB: Welcome katie rogers to the Lounge.
[16:39] Adelle Fitzgerald: ok Jeeper, tc!
[16:39] Greybeard Thinker: ciao Jeeps
[16:39] Michael Skelito: byes
[16:39] Richardus Raymaker: bye jeepers
[16:39] Greybeard Thinker: from what I've seen lately there are about 500 other grids now
[16:39] Richardus Raymaker: wel i know , not to use undo to much, especially on linked sets
[16:39] Adelle Fitzgerald: ok, last call for anything non tech related to OSgrid..
[16:39] Greybeard Thinker: and all but one is opensim based
[16:39] Jeeper Shim is Offline
[16:40] Michael Skelito: is wright plaza on fixed sun?
[16:40] Adelle Fitzgerald: hehe yeah, i think neb fixed that now
[16:40] Michael Skelito: kk
[16:40] WhiteStar Magic: anyone else seeing an issue with friends notification ?\
[16:40] Adelle Fitzgerald: except it was fixed dark, from haloween
[16:40] Michael Skelito: lol ya
[16:40] Revolution Smythe: lol
[16:41] Greybeard Thinker: friends module is a bit odd at times yes WS
[16:41] Adelle Fitzgerald: ill check it out myself tomorrow, and ask Neb
[16:41] Adelle Fitzgerald: i suspect he is prolly afk right now
[16:41] albud blinker: is the my notes not implemented?
[16:41] Revolution Smythe: it 'is'
[16:41] Revolution Smythe: just not here
[16:41] Greybeard Thinker: profile is part of the new PR branch now?
[16:41] Revolution Smythe: no
[16:41] Greybeard Thinker: no?
[16:42] Revolution Smythe: not in core anymore
[16:42] Greybeard Thinker: yikes?
[16:42] Adelle Fitzgerald: ok, i guess we can talk tech/bugs/opensim stuff now, or we will all be sat here bored ;P)
[16:42] WhiteStar Magic: lol
[16:42] Revolution Smythe: hehe
[16:42] Revolution Smythe: profile is on the forge now
[16:42] theboi Umarov is Online
[16:42] Revolution Smythe: and it didn't work last time i checked
[16:42] Michael Skelito: is orientation island really going to replave lbsa?
[16:42] Greybeard Thinker: so it's now an accessory? lol.
[16:42] Adelle Fitzgerald: does profile work with head, Rev?
[16:43] Nebadon Izumi: well it wont replace it as the fallback
[16:43] Adelle Fitzgerald: no Mike
[16:43] Michael Skelito: good lol
[16:43] Nebadon Izumi: but it will eventually become the new landing zone for nooblets
[16:43] Michael Skelito: kinda heavy
[16:43] Richardus Raymaker: i lost track i think what comes with opensim and what you need to install seperate. yes search and voice. but are there more ?
[16:43] albud blinker: noblets or newbies
[16:43] Greybeard Thinker: how close to ready is OI Neb?
[16:43] Nebadon Izumi: not sure, I'll have to ask Godfrey, plus Adams been real busy lately
[16:44] Greybeard Thinker: he's always a busy young man is Adam
[16:44] Michael Skelito: nice job on ramz hehe
[16:44] Revolution Smythe: profile still doesn't work with osprofile on core
[16:44] Revolution Smythe: err trunk
[16:44] Adelle Fitzgerald: GT, you mentioned that SI doesnt work with the current assets?
[16:44] albud blinker: How many newbies are truly new to open sim?
[16:44] Greybeard Thinker: yes Adelle
[16:44] Adelle Fitzgerald: kk, thanks rev
[16:44] Michael Skelito: 1
[16:44] Adelle Fitzgerald: what exactly ahppens, or doesnt
[16:44] Richardus Raymaker: yes, whats that with SI
[16:44] Chelsea Himmel is Online
[16:44] Greybeard Thinker: something to do with the new ruby coded thing I think
[16:45] Adelle Fitzgerald: it should eb the same really
[16:45] Greybeard Thinker: tried last night nothing but asset server timeouts
[16:45] Mercalia Beck: since when?
[16:45] Adelle Fitzgerald: as the assets go through the region as the interface
[16:45] Greybeard Thinker: uhuh
[16:45] Mercalia Beck: i got some nimations here a week or 2 ago
[16:45] Greybeard Thinker: was on my own home region and got nowhere real fast
[16:45] Adelle Fitzgerald: so when importing, you get asset timeouts?
[16:45] Greybeard Thinker: backing up
[16:45] Adelle Fitzgerald: really?
[16:45] Adelle Fitzgerald: wow
[16:46] Greybeard Thinker: yes
[16:46] Greybeard Thinker: got nothing happeing at all
[16:46] Adelle Fitzgerald: ok, i can check that out over the next couple of days
[16:46] Adelle Fitzgerald: what cache are your running?
[16:46] Greybeard Thinker: works fine on our home system and that is on exactly the same Neb build as our grid regions but with SDQLite db's
[16:47] Greybeard Thinker: even upped all the time outs to max times to no avail
[16:47] Greybeard Thinker: has special settings for opensim as compared to SL
[16:47] Adelle Fitzgerald: check which type of cache you are using
[16:48] Adelle Fitzgerald: ythat is in your gridcommon.ini
[16:48] Adelle Fitzgerald: and change to flotsam, if its not already selected
[16:48] Greybeard Thinker: our grid regions are all default OSGrid via Neb's builds except for SQLite db's
[16:48] Zardoz Firanelli: Is there any way to redirect the asset cache to be servered from a different location? I use flotsam and I have all instances grouped per server.
[16:49] Adelle Fitzgerald: give it a timeout of more than a couple of days, and before you export anything type in your console 'fcache assets' and wait for it to report that all assets have been cached
[16:49] Adelle Fitzgerald: kk, it should eb fcache then
[16:49] Greybeard Thinker: I use flotsam on grid but cenome at home
[16:49] Chelsea Himmel is Offline
[16:49] Eryn Galen: and its the cenome that working, hehe
[16:49] Erzulie Moonwater is Offline
[16:49] Greybeard Thinker: and fcache is not implemented
[16:49] Adelle Fitzgerald: do run fcache assets before though, and see if that makes a difference
[16:49] Adelle Fitzgerald: but wait for ti to report taht it has finished caching all assets
[16:50] Adelle Fitzgerald: btw, if you do that when saving an oar, it goes much faster
[16:50] Richardus Raymaker: i tried that command. wil do now again. but i think opensim dont know that command
[16:50] Adelle Fitzgerald: the save oar that is
[16:50] Greybeard Thinker: oars are OK
[16:50] Greybeard Thinker: iar's aren't
[16:50] Revolution Smythe: fcache was taken out awhile ago i think
[16:50] Revolution Smythe: afk
[16:50] Eryn Galen: hehe yep
[16:50] Eryn Galen: (to the IAR's)
[16:50] Adelle Fitzgerald: it caches all assets locally, so when saving an oar, the assets are there already
[16:51] Nebadon Izumi: fcache is pretty new feature actually
[16:51] WhiteStar Magic: I am running, OpenSim 0.6.9 (Dev) 4423630 - r12400 (interface version 6) and fcache commands are in it
[16:51] Greybeard Thinker: tried an iar on grid last week dumb thing told me wrong password and I was logged to grid on my home region
[16:51] Richardus Raymaker: ok its in my version
[16:51] Nebadon Izumi: i have "fcache assets" run on my startup commants txt file
[16:51] WhiteStar Magic: MySql & Flotsam configured
[16:51] Nebadon Izumi: every sim start
[16:51] House-Mounted Mailbox: You have 1 messages in your mailbox.
[16:52] Greybeard Thinker: so fcache works with MySQL? but maybe not SQLite?
[16:52] Adelle Fitzgerald: it workswith both
[16:52] Nebadon Izumi: its independant of databases
[16:52] Greybeard Thinker: hmmm
[16:52] Nebadon Izumi: its a file based cache
[16:52] Greybeard Thinker: wonder why my console told me fcache not implemented
[16:52] Nebadon Izumi: could be old version?
[16:52] Eryn Galen: question of a tech dumb, what does fcache do, exactly?
[16:52] Nebadon Izumi: what version you runing?
[16:52] Greybeard Thinker: Neb's build
[16:52] WhiteStar Magic: no, that is my config only, mysql not needed
[16:53] WhiteStar Magic: chat lag
[16:53] Zardoz Firanelli: And there is no way to redirect a file cache to a seperate webserver?
[16:53] Eryn Galen: the one before you newest from you, Neb
[16:53] Nebadon Izumi: if it says its not implemented
[16:53] Adelle Fitzgerald: Eryn, it caches all the assets in a region to the region hard disk
[16:53] Greybeard Thinker: 02\09 build at present
[16:53] Nebadon Izumi: that means your not running flotsamcache
[16:53] Nebadon Izumi: its disabled
[16:53] Eryn Galen: ahh, thanks Adelle :))
[16:53] Greybeard Thinker: got the new one yesterday no time to update yet
[16:53] Nebadon Izumi: fcache only shows on the menu as a command if flotsam cache is actually enabled
[16:53] Greybeard Thinker: ok ty Neb
[16:54] Greybeard Thinker: was sure I had flotsam enabled for grid
[16:54] Greybeard Thinker: will double check it later
[16:54] Nebadon Izumi: ya if not you will see major improvement im sure
[16:54] Adelle Fitzgerald: going back to SI, i have had some major problems with it in the past after i tuned up the comms on my sims
[16:54] Adelle Fitzgerald: it seems that SI does not like async connections
[16:54] Greybeard Thinker: oh?
[16:54] Adelle Fitzgerald: at elast the latest version
[16:55] Nebadon Izumi: what i suggest
[16:55] Nebadon Izumi: if your using SI in SL or OSG
[16:55] Adelle Fitzgerald: Si was trying to work too fast
[16:55] Nebadon Izumi: reduce the ammount of connections it makes
[16:55] Nebadon Izumi: it will try to download or upload 10 by default
[16:55] Chelsea Himmel is Online
[16:55] Nebadon Izumi: this is disasterous even in SL
[16:55] Nebadon Izumi: i set it to 1
[16:55] Nebadon Izumi: it never fails
[16:55] Nebadon Izumi: ends up going a lot faster
[16:55] Eryn Galen: ahh, good idea Neb :)
[16:55] Adelle Fitzgerald: yes, and maybe up the timers too
[16:55] Greybeard Thinker: I have it set at 5 at once and timeouts are out to 1 sec between object rezz
[16:55] Adelle Fitzgerald: no, thats bad
[16:56] Adelle Fitzgerald: set to 1
[16:56] Nebadon Izumi: ya thats bad
[16:56] Eryn Galen: Is that also going to affect the server timeouts I have been getting lately?
[16:56] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[16:56] Greybeard Thinker: OK
[16:56] Greybeard Thinker: only ever do 1 at a time anyway
[16:56] Adelle Fitzgerald: but SI tries to do 5 things at once, even though you are doing only one object
[16:56] Greybeard Thinker: ty
[16:56] Adelle Fitzgerald: its tryingt o do 5 textures, or 5 prims, or 5 whatever
[16:56] Mercalia Beck: a good tip
[16:56] Greybeard Thinker: will fiddle with it sopme more later
[17:02] Nebadon Izumi: beleive it or not i actually have a lot more trouble in SL with SI
[17:02] Eryn Galen: I´ll try it, thanks Adelle and Neb
[17:02] Nebadon Izumi: than here in OSG
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[17:02] Adelle Fitzgerald: i havent used it in a while
[17:02] Nebadon Izumi: ya i dont use it much
[17:02] Greybeard Thinker: odd how it was working fine up till I went to do an inventory backup last night from grid
[17:02] Adelle Fitzgerald: there may even be a new version out, i dunno
[17:02] Nebadon Izumi: but the reason i ended up reducing it to 1
[17:02] Nebadon Izumi: becasue i could not get stuff backed up in SL
[17:02] Nebadon Izumi: without doing it 20 times
[17:02] Richardus Raymaker: i can do IAR when its fixt and i have new version. for now its broken
[17:03] Greybeard Thinker: I only use it for here as thjis is my only grid now
[17:03] Eryn Galen: ya, getting a lot of server timeouts there lately too
[17:03] Nebadon Izumi: if you set it to 1
[17:03] Nebadon Izumi: it never fails
[17:03] Eryn Galen: cool :)
[17:03] Greybeard Thinker: ok, will set all to onl;y one at a time see what it behaves like
[17:03] Eryn Galen: Hehe, I dont mind a bit of tech talk... I am learning new stuff that way
[17:03] Richardus Raymaker: that settiong is in SI right ?
[17:04] Nebadon Izumi: yes
[17:04] Greybeard Thinker: yes ri
[17:04] Eryn Galen: for all as I understand it Rich
[17:04] Eryn Galen: all Grids in SI
[17:04] Adelle Fitzgerald: anything else before we wrap up, i have to head out on the hour, as i have to be up early tomorrow
[17:04] Eryn Galen: How are athe shops Neb? Do you still need good builders?
[17:04] Greybeard Thinker: SI has 2 settinmgs panels with SL and opensim being quite different
[17:05] Michael Skelito: was fun gots to run byes
[17:05] Richardus Raymaker: bye micheal
[17:05] Eryn Galen: see ya Mike
[17:05] Greybeard Thinker: ciao Mike
[17:05] Adelle Fitzgerald: bye Mike, tc
[17:05] Greybeard Thinker: still loading I see lol
[17:05] Revolution Smythe: cya Michael
[17:05] Adelle Fitzgerald: lol
[17:05] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[17:06] Eryn Galen: lol Neb
[17:06] Eryn Galen: -*-* LOL *-*-
[17:06] Mercalia Beck: should uploads be set to 1 also?
[17:06] Nebadon Izumi: i would
[17:06] Nebadon Izumi: its not much slower
[17:06] Nebadon Izumi: but 100 times more reliable
[17:06] Greybeard Thinker: it can only do 1 upload at a time anyway
[17:07] Greybeard Thinker: folder backup but single object restores
[17:07] Adelle Fitzgerald: oh there is a setting to connect to multiple sims too, make sure that is off
[17:07] Adelle Fitzgerald: that will cause problems in opensim
[17:07] Richardus Raymaker: i found the setting
[17:07] Mercalia Beck: oh
[17:07] Eryn Galen: uhuh
[17:07] Adelle Fitzgerald: child avatars work different here than in SL
[17:08] Adelle Fitzgerald: and that setting is really only for SL
[17:08] Greybeard Thinker: uhuh
[17:08] Richardus Raymaker: looks like its much faster for BL2
[17:08] Richardus Raymaker: follow GB advise
[17:08] Greybeard Thinker: ??
[17:08] Eryn Galen: wow, it got empty fast, lol
[17:08] Adelle Fitzgerald: hehe i cant wait for the day that we have to throttle things for SL, and we get all the goodies :)
[17:08] Mahakala Dharmapala: lols
[17:08] Richardus Raymaker: dont say Second Life. so lets call it Bad Life 2
[17:08] Greybeard Thinker: follow me you'll get as lost as i do most times lol.
[17:08] Eryn Galen: LMAO Adelle
[17:09] Eryn Galen: and good one Rich ;-)
[17:09] theboi Umarov is Online
[17:09] Greybeard Thinker: ah, the grid that shall remain nameless lol.
[17:09] Adelle Fitzgerald: hmm Neb
[17:09] Adelle Fitzgerald: the grid clock is wrong
[17:09] Richardus Raymaker: yes GB. lol
[17:09] Adelle Fitzgerald: i think
[17:09] Nebadon Izumi: on danger grid?
[17:09] Adelle Fitzgerald: im confused now
[17:10] Adelle Fitzgerald: my viewer says 17:10
[17:10] Greybeard Thinker: yep it's actually 11:37 Aust time lol.
[17:10] Adelle Fitzgerald: my computer says 01:00
[17:10] Richardus Raymaker: mine says 5:07 PM
[17:10] Nebadon Izumi: mine says 17:07
[17:10] Eryn Galen: hehe, it seems slightly off here... 17.07 PST for my viewer
[17:10] WhiteStar Magic: mine says 17:07
[17:10] Adelle Fitzgerald: arghhh! im confused now!
[17:10] Nebadon Izumi: lol
[17:10] Richardus Raymaker: grin
[17:10] Eryn Galen: lolz Adelle
[17:10] Revolution Smythe: 17:07
[17:10] Adelle Fitzgerald: i hate it when i dont have the right time
[17:10] Greybeard Thinker: I got too many clocks
[17:10] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[17:10] Greybeard Thinker: it's 1 something GMT
[17:11] Richardus Raymaker: the right time. thats already a problem
[17:11] WhiteStar Magic: and people wonder why they feel pressed for time
[17:11] Revolution Smythe: there is no right time lol
[17:11] Eryn Galen: hehe
[17:11] Greybeard Thinker: it's this stupid round world theory I tell thee
[17:11] Mahakala Dharmapala: :)
[17:12] Nebadon Izumi: hehe
[17:12] Greybeard Thinker: was much easier when the world was flat
[17:12] Revolution Smythe: lol
[17:12] WhiteStar Magic: hehhe
[17:12] Revolution Smythe: i want to fall off the world
[17:12] Revolution Smythe: hehe
[17:12] Eryn Galen: lolll
[17:12] Mercalia Beck: i canty find any ref to moltiple sims in SI?
[17:12] Greybeard Thinker: that can be fun I like dragons lol
[17:19] Mercalia Beck: in pref
[17:20] Nebadon Izumi: ya i think thats been taken out
[17:20] Up Grayeddd is Online
[17:20] Mercalia Beck: ah
[17:20] Nebadon Izumi: i dont see it here either
[17:20] Nebadon Izumi: it was there at one time though
[17:20] Mercalia Beck: yes i seem to remmebat
[17:20] Adelle Fitzgerald: ok, my clock is sorted :)
[17:21] Adelle Fitzgerald: but notw my viewer says 17:21
[17:21] Simulator Version shouts: OpenSim 0.6.9 (Dev) e635570: 2010-02-22 02:13:01 -0800 (Unix/Mono)
[17:21] Nebadon Izumi: also
[17:21] Adelle Fitzgerald: and my local is 01:11
[17:21] Nebadon Izumi: this hippo you can change from 12 to 24 hour clocks
[17:21] Mercalia Beck: 17.11
[17:21] Nebadon Izumi: on the hippo tab
[17:21] WhiteStar Magic: lol 17:11
[17:21] Nebadon Izumi: in preferences
[17:21] Michael Skelito is Offline
[17:21] Greybeard Thinker: agrees on the PST side
[17:21] Adelle Fitzgerald: anyways, i have to go to bed, so thanks everyone for comeing
[17:22] Adelle Fitzgerald: and ill catch up with yas later
[17:22] Mahakala Dharmapala: Thankyou :)
[17:22] Nebadon Izumi: ok Adelle