Saturday Q&A for August 10th, 2024
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[10:50 AM] Neovo Geesink: Hello Albertlr [10:51 AM] albertlr Landar: Hello Neovo [10:51 AM] albertlr Landar: Dan called me yesterday, to check on me. I've Just been very busy and with several problems here. [10:52 AM] Neovo Geesink: Oei... But luckily you made it here. [10:52 AM] albertlr Landar: We had tropical storm right on top of us for about 4 days. lots of flooding. [10:52 AM] Neovo Geesink: Wow. [10:53 AM] albertlr Landar: In my own subdivision had flooding down the street to the right of us, flooding on the street behind us, and major flooding at entrance of sub division. [10:53 AM] Neovo Geesink: Well, The OSG17B event went smoothly. almost 2 regions full. [10:53 AM] albertlr Landar: I went through it with my SUV very slowly. [10:53 AM] Neovo Geesink: Okay. [10:54 AM] albertlr Landar: Sorry I missed it. Also have a major problems with my new Native Instruments S88 MK3 keyboard. [10:54 AM] Neovo Geesink: Oh. Thats bad. [10:54 AM] albertlr Landar: It would not run with out a firemare update, and Windows would not let it happen. [10:55 AM] albertlr Landar: So eventually had to arrange to get a new keyboard and let them update it, because it appears that only an Apple Mac computer would update it. [10:55 AM] Neovo Geesink: Geez... Why that incompatibility with Windows?? [10:55 AM] albertlr Landar: I think I found the problems in Windows, so sort of Security settings for drivers and USB plugins. [10:55 AM] Neovo Geesink: Okay. [10:56 AM] albertlr Landar: But now I think the firmware in the first midi keyboard is messed up. [10:56 AM] Neovo Geesink: Oopsie. [10:56 AM] albertlr Landar: It said it was installed correctly, but then had to reboot. And it would not reboot. [10:56 AM] Neovo Geesink: ough. [10:56 AM] albertlr Landar: Again probably because of bad drivers. [10:56 AM] albertlr Landar: Or MS not letting it reboot. [10:57 AM] Neovo Geesink: Sad. [10:57 AM] albertlr Landar: Native Instruments is a company out of Germany. [10:57 AM] albertlr Landar: Just glad the company I deal with is here in the states. [10:57 AM] Neovo Geesink: :-) [10:58 AM] albertlr Landar: I have spent latterly days trying to get it to work, just finally gave up. [10:59 AM] albertlr Landar: But new Keyboard fully working should be here on Monday. [10:59 AM] Neovo Geesink: I can imagine... A firmware that will not load correctly although Windows says it is, is a real PIA... [10:59 AM] albertlr Landar: I had to unplug every usb on my computer to see if the USB C would work on it. [10:59 AM] albertlr Landar: It would not. [10:59 AM] Neovo Geesink: Ships. [11:00 AM] albertlr Landar: i think they better designed it to work with Mac's rather than PC's [11:00 AM] Neovo Geesink: Sad that they choose just Mac compatibility... Such way they exclude a lot of people. [11:01 AM] albertlr Landar: BTW, I decided to from now on post all the chats from the Saturday Q&A in the Wiki directly. It a lot easier to read and store there. [11:01 AM] Neovo Geesink: Okay. That will be s good thing indeed. [11:01 AM] Neovo Geesink: Lets see how many will attend today. [11:02 AM] albertlr Landar: So i am glad to see that they have a notice about the fundraiser up already. [11:02 AM] albertlr Landar: We need the donations of items for the auctions. [11:02 AM] albertlr Landar: They may give people time to put them together. [11:02 AM] Prince Amor: hello you all [11:02 AM] albertlr Landar: Hello Prince how are you? [11:02 AM] Prince Amor: doing good thanks [11:02 AM] Neovo Geesink: I even rearranged the Event teleporters so they are now in a chronological order. Much better to see the events. [11:02 AM] Neovo Geesink: Hello Prince [11:03 AM] Prince Amor: yes you did a good job there thank you for that [11:03 AM] albertlr Landar: Oh that sounds good. [11:03 AM] Prince Amor: i have seen more people using it too [11:03 AM] Prince Amor: because of that [11:03 AM] Prince Amor: and less where are the teleports [11:03 AM] Prince Amor: :-) [11:03 AM] albertlr Landar: I will have to tour the Birthday regions now that things have calmed down for me in the real world. [11:03 AM] Neovo Geesink: I also lowered that Teleport lane in Lbsa so they are more visible and accessible. [11:03 AM] Prince Amor: I enjoyed seeing that [11:03 AM] albertlr Landar: Before Dan closes them down. [11:03 AM] Prince Amor: yes I enjoyed watching them [11:04 AM] Prince Amor: I forgot to look at the theme before building [11:04 AM] Prince Amor: and didn't feel like starting over [11:04 AM] Prince Amor: :-) [11:04 AM] Neovo Geesink: :-) Only -1 and -2 are in use. -3 and -4 are still empty. [11:04 AM] albertlr Landar: thats ok [11:04 AM] Prince Amor: yeah [11:04 AM] Prince Amor: still enjoyed it [11:04 AM] Neovo Geesink: :-) [11:05 AM] Prince Amor: got my new machine last night [11:05 AM] Prince Amor: I have 100 fps here [11:05 AM] Neovo Geesink: Wow! Thats nice. [11:05 AM] Prince Amor: on ultra [11:05 AM] albertlr Landar: wow thats fast. [11:05 AM] Prince Amor: to boot [11:05 AM] Prince Amor: yes [11:05 AM] albertlr Landar: you using AMD or Intel cpu's [11:06 AM] Neovo Geesink: Altough, for a visually impaired like me it does not matter that much. But, nice to have hardware that is capable of such framerates. [11:06 AM] inanna beaumont is Online [11:06 AM] Prince Amor: Specs: CPU: AMD 7800x3d MotherBoard : Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite with WIFI 6 RAM: 2x32GB (64GB Total) Samsung DDR5 Storage: 1 TB Samsung Evo 990 PCIE Gen5x2 Graphics Card: Nvidia 4070 Super FE Power Supply EVGA 1000w P3 OS: Windows 11 Pro Case: Lianli A3 [11:06 AM] albertlr Landar: I heard that Intel had problems with their cpu's [11:06 AM] Prince Amor: oh big big ones yes [11:06 AM] Neovo Geesink: Jeehaw! Nice setup! [11:06 AM] albertlr Landar: they lost a lot of vaule because of that. [11:06 AM] Prince Amor: their cheating on the overclocking [11:06 AM] Prince Amor: started cooking them [11:07 AM] Prince Amor: yes guy that built this for me [11:07 AM] Prince Amor: was like [11:07 AM] Prince Amor: no intel just don't ask [11:07 AM] albertlr Landar: yea, my nephew has one from a friend that got fried because of heating up [11:07 AM] Prince Amor: i read an article over it [11:07 AM] Prince Amor: I did see they are offering extended warranties and what not [11:07 AM] albertlr Landar: was trying to fix it, but looks like it requires a new cpu. [11:07 AM] Prince Amor: it looks like they want to sell them anyway [11:07 AM] Prince Amor: that is right [11:07 AM] Prince Amor: is no fix at all for it if it happens [11:07 AM] Prince Amor: if you catch it early [11:08 AM] albertlr Landar: Well they have a patch for the bios on the mother board they say. [11:08 AM] Prince Amor: like you buy it and then do the patch [11:08 AM] Prince Amor: you might be ok [11:08 AM] albertlr Landar: But it will only help those that have not been messed up yet. [11:08 AM] Prince Amor: that is right [11:08 AM] Prince Amor: quite a thing that [11:08 AM] albertlr Landar: It was funny when he started up, the heat on it just went up and up. [11:09 AM] Neovo Geesink: Yep,Those Intel boards is first thing out of the box is patching that BIOS (UEFI) to get rid of that overclockig problem. [11:09 AM] albertlr Landar: despite the three fan Radiator cooler on top. [11:09 AM] Prince Amor: yes yes [11:09 AM] Prince Amor: so glad I didn't go that way [11:09 AM] Neovo Geesink: They act like the early AMD's now... [11:09 AM] Prince Amor: it is like intel fell out of favor [11:09 AM] Prince Amor: the ryzens are running happy happy [11:10 AM] Prince Amor: and are cheaper too I think [11:10 AM] Neovo Geesink: Would be quite a blow when Datacentres switch to AMD all together... [11:10 AM] Prince Amor: it seems like there is a cycle [11:10 AM] Prince Amor: going on [11:10 AM] albertlr Landar: I had similar problem with my new Native Instruments S88 MK3 midi keyboard. [11:10 AM] Prince Amor: it is like that with apple too [11:10 AM] Prince Amor: I would not buy an apple now [11:10 AM] Prince Amor: soldered memory [11:10 AM] Prince Amor: I was so sad [11:10 AM] Prince Amor: I moved my m1 [11:11 AM] Prince Amor: to use it for my work computer you know [11:11 AM] Prince Amor: blender and what not [11:11 AM] Prince Amor: and boy it bit the big one [11:11 AM] albertlr Landar: It required a firmware update before it could be used, but the firmware update will not work in Windows. [11:11 AM] Prince Amor: and is locked in at 16 gig [11:11 AM] Prince Amor: ahh [11:11 AM] albertlr Landar: Now if I had an apple they say the update would work. [11:11 AM] Prince Amor: wonder if intel would go down over it [11:11 AM] Prince Amor: apple stopped using Intel also [11:12 AM] Prince Amor: way before [11:12 AM] Prince Amor: about 3 years now [11:12 AM] Prince Amor: I do still have a bunch of 2012 minis [11:12 AM] Neovo Geesink: Well, that would be another CPU manufacturer down... Like cyrix. [11:12 AM] Prince Amor: that are using it [11:12 AM] albertlr Landar: Well i think the problem in my case was a setting that MS had set up for Security for USB and Drivers. [11:12 AM] Prince Amor: yes you were saying was quite a crash [11:12 AM] albertlr Landar: Sometimes they over protect things. [11:13 AM] Prince Amor: oh yes [11:13 AM] Prince Amor: and well for here it is just [11:13 AM] Prince Amor: well rough [11:13 AM] Prince Amor: the firewall kills a sim off easy [11:13 AM] albertlr Landar: I bet. [11:13 AM] Prince Amor: can do rules if you want but even then [11:13 AM] Prince Amor: need a better firewall [11:13 AM] albertlr Landar: I had to go into windows and put in place rules to allow opensim to got out and come in. [11:14 AM] Prince Amor: that is right [11:14 AM] Prince Amor: and even then [11:14 AM] Prince Amor: it will slow down rezzing to a trickle [11:14 AM] albertlr Landar: Other wise they would shut down immediately when started. [11:14 AM] Prince Amor: it thinks an avatar tping in is a ddos attack [11:14 AM] Prince Amor: i wish I knew a better firewall [11:14 AM] Neovo Geesink: Same issue at my servers... Had to also put in a bunch of rules in the firewall... (Win10 Pro) [11:14 AM] Prince Amor: you all konw one? [11:14 AM] Prince Amor: then defender and that? [11:14 AM] Prince Amor: it is like [11:14 AM] albertlr Landar: no really. [11:14 AM] Prince Amor: there is no other or something [11:14 AM] Prince Amor: yeah [11:14 AM] Prince Amor: ;-) [11:15 AM] Prince Amor: defender wiped them out [11:15 AM] Prince Amor: and well apple has its own too really [11:15 AM] albertlr Landar: these days they way that the other firewalls nag you is like a hacker. [11:15 AM] Prince Amor: yes I can agree with that also [11:15 AM] Prince Amor: even the virus software [11:15 AM] albertlr Landar: yea especially the Virus Software. [11:15 AM] albertlr Landar: I use to use Noton all the time, not now. [11:16 AM] Neovo Geesink: OUGH... A Canon to shoot a bacteria... [11:16 AM] albertlr Landar: I think a lot of those successful software companies get bought by venture capitalist, and they end up ruining what it does. [11:16 AM] Neovo Geesink: Norton is seriously heavy on your resources. [11:17 AM] Prince Amor: i like malwarbytes [11:17 AM] Prince Amor: if i have an issue it seems to fix it [11:17 AM] albertlr Landar: thats good. [11:17 AM] Neovo Geesink: I have Avast, paid plan, and I am content with it. [11:17 AM] albertlr Landar: thats good too. [11:18 AM] albertlr Landar: So many of the Internet companies have gone to over the top using strange ways to protect data. [11:19 AM] albertlr Landar: My on line pharmacy when I run low on a prescription will not tell me which prescription it really is, they use some obscure number which I can not interpret. [11:19 AM] albertlr Landar: makes me mad. [11:19 AM] Neovo Geesink: This morning I had to restart Sandbox Plaza III due to the Scripts completely died there... It even did not came back on-line, so I messaged Dan, and he got it to reboot. [11:20 AM] albertlr Landar: hum wonder why that is. [11:20 AM] Neovo Geesink: This happens often in III. [11:20 AM] albertlr Landar: its the only one using something isn't iot? [11:20 AM] Neovo Geesink: The other two Sandbox Plaza's are OKay. [11:21 AM] Neovo Geesink: It is using ubODE... [11:21 AM] albertlr Landar: Ubode? [11:21 AM] Neovo Geesink: Probably something with that. [11:21 AM] albertlr Landar: thought so. [11:21 AM] albertlr Landar: the only thing I have a problem with Bullet is walking up steps. [11:21 AM] albertlr Landar: If they fixed that then I would have no problem with it. [11:22 AM] Neovo Geesink: Yep, If the steps are too high, an Avatar will not climb it... [11:22 AM] Prince Amor: i think the regions are falling asleep [11:22 AM] Prince Amor: like a time out [11:22 AM] albertlr Landar: Or have to try going side ways. [11:22 AM] Prince Amor: so if you sit at lbsa [11:22 AM] Prince Amor: you can't tp back out [11:22 AM] Prince Amor: after about 15 minutes [11:22 AM] Prince Amor: frame rate there is also half the speed of here [11:22 AM] Neovo Geesink: Oopsie... [11:22 AM] Prince Amor: and well my own places too [11:23 AM] Neovo Geesink: Well, All that stuff in Lbsa is indeed bringing down the frame rate... Also some over complex Avatars there. [11:23 AM] albertlr Landar: I saw where they were discussing problems with Firestorm recently. [11:23 AM] albertlr Landar: Some changes with SL settings. [11:23 AM] Prince Amor: yes yes [11:23 AM] Neovo Geesink: OUGH... I have reverted to 6. FS 7 is not my sort.. [11:23 AM] Prince Amor: lots of stuff going on [11:23 AM] Prince Amor: fs7 [11:23 AM] Prince Amor: has major major issues [11:24 AM] Prince Amor: can't find the last outfit [11:24 AM] Prince Amor: dan knows of it though [11:24 AM] Prince Amor: it is on the jira etc.. [11:24 AM] albertlr Landar: yea trying to keep up with changes on Second Life do not work well here. [11:24 AM] Neovo Geesink: It throws off the entire light balancing... :-( Thats at least one of the issues I had. [11:24 AM] Prince Amor: yes i noticed that also [11:24 AM] Prince Amor: I am really enjoying making things with pbr [11:24 AM] Prince Amor: but [11:24 AM] Prince Amor: some things are pretty weird [11:24 AM] albertlr Landar: At least Singularity is not being changed much these days. [11:24 AM] Prince Amor: and some are non standard with some game assets [11:25 AM] Neovo Geesink: Singularity throws me out of Lbsa and other crowded regions now and then... If i am in a region with only a few avatars I have no problems with Singu whatsoever... But Firestorm keeps me in all the time. [11:26 AM] Prince Amor: it is usually after a crash [11:26 AM] Prince Amor: or purge of cache [11:26 AM] Prince Amor: that it is a major workout [11:26 AM] Prince Amor: trying to get back in [11:26 AM] Neovo Geesink: Yep. [11:26 AM] Prince Amor: i noticed the vram toggle [11:26 AM] Prince Amor: seems to help [11:27 AM] Prince Amor: which means fs may be not quite getting the numbers right [11:27 AM] Neovo Geesink: so it is not dynamically assigning it, but set to a fixed value? [11:27 AM] Prince Amor: when i set it to 32 [11:27 AM] Prince Amor: it seems to behave better [11:27 AM] Prince Amor: on fs7 [11:27 AM] Neovo Geesink: Okay. [11:27 AM] albertlr Landar: Humn i checked the download page at Singularity and looks like they removed the Nightly Download page [11:27 AM] Prince Amor: less likely to crash [11:27 AM] Neovo Geesink: IF I ever switch back to FS7, I will try that. [11:28 AM] albertlr Landar: https://www.singularityviewer.org/downloads/ [11:28 AM] Prince Amor: it seems to of helped many [11:30 AM] Neovo Geesink: Apart from mentioned Sandbox Plaza III, all is going pretty well here. [11:30 AM] Prince Amor: in general yes [11:30 AM] albertlr Landar: Well that is good to hear [11:30 AM] Prince Amor: was a big move [11:31 AM] Prince Amor: can ony get better as they fix it [11:31 AM] Neovo Geesink: Hopefully. [11:33 AM] albertlr Landar: I was just looking at the Showcase in Singularity, I am glad to see many more users have started putting their regions in it. [11:33 AM] albertlr Landar: Seems to be growing in use. [11:34 AM] Neovo Geesink: :-) [11:34 AM] Prince Amor: there are a few other web pages running also [11:34 AM] Prince Amor: wha tis the show case? [11:36 AM] Prince Amor: https://soziarium.su/post/27076 [11:36 AM] Prince Amor: is a new site [11:37 AM] Prince Amor: not sure how good it is in the end [11:37 AM] Prince Amor: or who is running it you know [11:37 AM] albertlr Landar: Oh its FS too. [11:37 AM] albertlr Landar: If you look in Singularity under the search, look for the heading Showcase. [11:37 AM] albertlr Landar: There are 89 entries now it seems. [11:37 AM] albertlr Landar: Not sure if some aren't duplicates however. [11:38 AM] albertlr Landar: However I had one region where I have freebies, and I placed two boxes on it. [11:38 AM] Prince Amor: oh it is in the viewer [11:38 AM] Prince Amor: not a web page or something [11:38 AM] albertlr Landar: Because it is so large, one at the main warehouse, and then on at the other end where I have a mall. [11:38 AM] Prince Amor: kind of like the outworldz one [11:39 AM] albertlr Landar: well yes its also on the web site too. [11:39 AM] albertlr Landar: https://www.osgrid.org/destinations/ [11:40 AM] albertlr Landar: Destination Guild on web site. [11:40 AM] albertlr Landar: Listed under Grid. [11:40 AM] albertlr Landar: https://www.osgrid.org/destinations_guide_helper.php [11:40 AM] Prince Amor: ahh i have not seen that that is cool [11:41 AM] Prince Amor: need to get more people to do that [11:41 AM] albertlr Landar: And helper page to set it up if you have regions you would like to set i on your own regions. [11:41 AM] Neovo Geesink: Seems that I have to update the picture for Meet&Greet... That building is no more. Was difficult to manage when inside due to viewing angle. [11:42 AM] albertlr Landar: Well I know you can give Dan a pic to place on it. [11:42 AM] Neovo Geesink: :-) [11:42 AM] Prince Amor: I have all my personals there [11:42 AM] Prince Amor: nice to see that develop [11:42 AM] Prince Amor: know you all been working that for long time [11:43 AM] albertlr Landar: yea, it was sitting un-used for a while. [11:43 AM] Prince Amor: well that one script was an issue for a while [11:43 AM] Prince Amor: seems to work well now though [11:44 AM] Neovo Geesink: I Think Paela was the first who pioneered it? [11:44 AM] albertlr Landar: yea [11:44 AM] albertlr Landar: there were a few bugs that had to be worked out, and its working a lot better now. [11:44 AM] Neovo Geesink: :-) [11:44 AM] Prince Amor: i notice it is showing event plaza in 3 slots [11:45 AM] albertlr Landar: yea different categories I guess. [11:45 AM] albertlr Landar: not sure if you can list more than one in a set up. [11:45 AM] albertlr Landar: But its possible. [11:46 AM] Prince Amor: is paela the only one that can add it? [11:47 AM] Prince Amor: or is it just the script? [11:47 AM] albertlr Landar: No you can basically do it yourself, also Dan can adjust things if needed. [11:47 AM] albertlr Landar: It just how you set up the script. [11:47 AM] Neovo Geesink: The script seems to determine in which category it goes. [11:47 AM] albertlr Landar: yea [11:47 AM] Prince Amor: ok will look at that [11:47 AM] Neovo Geesink: There are comments embedded in the Script. [11:48 AM] Prince Amor: yes I worked it before [11:48 AM] Prince Amor: just [11:48 AM] Prince Amor: notice a new one there [11:48 AM] albertlr Landar: As I mentioned I had placed mine in two different locations on my same var region. [11:48 AM] Prince Amor: ahh that could be cool [11:48 AM] Prince Amor: will think on that too [11:48 AM] albertlr Landar: At the front and at the back, which are two different shopping areas. [11:49 AM] albertlr Landar: It just shows the same pic for both. [11:49 AM] Prince Amor: will see what they are doing [11:49 AM] Prince Amor: let me go ahead and leave you all [11:49 AM] Prince Amor: do that before I forget [11:49 AM] Prince Amor: :-) [11:49 AM] albertlr Landar: ok thanks for coming take care. [11:49 AM] Prince Amor: of course have a nice day now [11:49 AM] Neovo Geesink: :-) Till next time. [11:49 AM] albertlr Landar: Well Hypergird Business in its latest update on the grids shows OSgrid as still the largest, with second largest attendance. [11:50 AM] albertlr Landar: https://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2024/07/opensim-regions-up-actives-down-with-summer-heat/ [11:50 AM] Neovo Geesink: Wow. Nice. [11:50 AM] albertlr Landar: But never heard of Simation Grid? [11:50 AM] Neovo Geesink: New to me as well... [11:50 AM] albertlr Landar: Says at beginning of Article they say they have 25,408 regions? [11:51 AM] Neovo Geesink: Yikes? That fast? [11:51 AM] albertlr Landar: Yea I wonder if that includes user, or just land they have set up. [11:52 AM] albertlr Landar: And wonder if they are commercial. [11:53 AM] albertlr Landar: Oh I see they only have 19 users right now, so guess just getting started. [11:53 AM] Neovo Geesink: I do not know. They might end up in the Opensimworld beacon sooner or later, so we can check them out. [11:53 AM] albertlr Landar: Hum they say they have 31 regions which standard region equivalents are 25, 408 Km2. [11:54 AM] Neovo Geesink: Looks like they have a few VARs there... [11:54 AM] albertlr Landar: I am not sure how you translate that, but I would guess they are talking about Var Regions. [11:55 AM] Neovo Geesink: Sure, since one can cramp 16 Standards in a square Kilometre. [11:55 AM] albertlr Landar: But I know that very large var regions are not practical at this point. [11:55 AM] Neovo Geesink: I am keeping them Max 3X3. I have experimented earlier with a 10X10, but that was overkill. [11:56 AM] albertlr Landar: 512 X 512 I think is the largest recommended size unless you have a very fast computer. [11:56 AM] Neovo Geesink: Yep. Thats why I have splitted my VARs and Standards across 2 seperate servers. [11:57 AM] albertlr Landar: hum says Technology Build on Opensim, wonder if they are doing some of their own programming on it. [11:57 AM] albertlr Landar: If so hope they share. [11:58 AM] Neovo Geesink: Even the unknown of which version they use... [11:58 AM] albertlr Landar: Yea. [11:58 AM] albertlr Landar: Some made some nice changes in the past but did to share, then they close down and it gets lost. [11:58 AM] Neovo Geesink: Hopefully not Simonastick. [11:59 AM] albertlr Landar: Well I guess I shall call it quits for today. No one else here to inquiry about things. [11:59 AM] Neovo Geesink: Indeed... I agree. [11:59 AM] albertlr Landar: Thanks for coming Neovo. Hope you don't get all the rain we had here on the Eastern Side of the US. [12:00 PM] Neovo Geesink: Well, we will see here in the Netherlands... [12:00 PM] Neovo Geesink: Till next time. [12:00 PM] albertlr Landar: We still have possible Hurricanes to look forward too in the coming months however. [12:00 PM] Neovo Geesink: Aii... [12:00 PM] albertlr Landar: Next Board meeting in Sept I hear. [12:00 PM] Neovo Geesink: Yes, Indeed. [12:00 PM] albertlr Landar: But will check in before. [12:00 PM] Neovo Geesink: Sept. 1st. [12:00 PM] albertlr Landar: Good Day to you.